Rumored 16-Inch 3072x1920 Resolution MacBook Pro to Launch in September

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Apparently there is a good chance Apple will be releasing that 16" MacBook Pro later this year. The firm referenced in the Macrumors article below has significant display expertise and their analysts correctly predicted updates to the iPad Pro and Apple Watch months in advance.

In addition to the larger display, I'm hoping for a slightly thicker chassis that can accommodate an ethernet port with an optional upgrade to 10gbe like the Mac Mini.

https://www.macrumors.com/2019/06/24/16-inch-macbook-pro-sept-2019-release-date-rumor/
 
Rounded corners and a notch for where the cameras take up screen real estate? ala iphoneX?

This is sounding like it will possibly be an option on the 15.4" MBP, and not a whole new model.

Will be interesting if it is a new body. Some are saying it is an MacBook pro pro. The more pro version. MBP pro.
 
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This resolution isn’t much higher than the existing MBP which is 2880x1800. That’s only about an extra 50 pixels on each side in terms of UI space. It really is the same DPI with just a little extra space with the reduced bezel. Not enough to make the UI feel larger in any way. The UI space is 1536 wide vs the 1440 wide of the 15”.

The 1920 scaled mode will be 1.6x retina vs the current 1.5x retina which will have little to no impact.

It’s cool they are doing this but I see little reason to dump perfectly good 15” models to rush out and get this unless it has a significant GPU upgrade like the rx580 and Vega 48 which I highly doubt.
 
So an MBP Pro would cost, what $12k fully loaded? $15K? My friend who is a graphic artist bought a fully loaded i9 MBP with the 4TB SSD and he paid around $8k. Seems like a lot of money for a laptop but he works on location on big shows like the Voice so it makes sense for him.
 
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I hope this will be a different design inside and outside compared to the current, extremely flawed, design.
 
The biggest problem I find with Apple products is the cost of their component upgrades. For example a 1TB SSD drive in both SATA and M.2 formats starts at about $100 right now, but Apple will be shipping their new Macbook with a 256 GB drive and will charge a small fortune to upgrade from this: NewEgg.com 1TB SSD Drives
 
TheDingo said:
The biggest problem I find with Apple products is the cost of their component upgrades. For example a 1TB SSD drive in both SATA and M.2 formats starts at about $100 right now, but Apple will be shipping their new Macbook with a 256 GB drive and will charge a small fortune to upgrade from this: NewEgg.com 1TB SSD Drives
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Many of those are much lower end drives than those used by Apple. I think a fairer comparison that still makes Apples drives seem a bit pricy is OWC's new Aura Pro X2 line that comes with a 5 year warranty. It's plenty fast enough for me and with 3282MB/s read and 2488MB/s write speeds and the 1TB drive and the 2TB model are priced at costs $250 and $599 respectively. Apple is still charging way more than that but in the corporate world there is something to be said for one place to point your finger. Lots of large companies like MacBook Pro's because the don't have to tinker with them.

My biggest complaint about Apple's MacBook Pro drives is that they are soldered to the system board. We have a number of MacBook Pro systems but one of my current favorites is a 2012 non-Retina 15 model. It has 2 USB3 port and thunderbolt for those rare occasions when I might need it a Thunderbolt 1 port. We are probably going to replace the Superdrive with a second 4TB SSD and repurpose the system as mobile ingest workstation for DITs. The 2.5 SSDs we are looking are only 1/6 as fast and those Apple uses but they are are also 1/6 the price and we can swap them out whenever we want.

https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ssd/owc/macbook-pro-retina-display/2013-2014-2015
 
Gary T said:
Many of those are much lower end drives than those used by Apple.
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Okay, let's compare the Crucial and Intel M.2 1TB drives that cost $100 US...

Crucial P1 1TB 3D NAND NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD : Read Speed = 2000 MBps Write Speed = 1700 MBps

Intel 660p Series M.2 2280 1TB PCIe NVMe : Read Speed = 1800 MBps Write Speed = 1800 MBps

Will these be as fast as the Apple drives ? We won't know until the full spec is released by Apple, but you can always spend a little bit more ( $218 US and likely a lot less than what Apple will charge ) for a drive like this that comes with a 5 year warranty too...

SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2 2280 1TB PCIe Gen 3.0 : Read Speed = 3500 MBps Write Speed = 3300 MBps

So for $218 US we've got a faster drive than the OWC drive, and it also has a 5 year warranty. But Apple may have locked out non-Apple approved hardware with it's T2 security chip, so we might be forced to purchase all hardware upgrades through Apple whether we like it or not. I really hope that "Right to Repair" legislation makes it illegal for companies like Apple to force their customers to always go through them for repairs or upgrades. Sure you might void your Apple warranty, but at least you would have the choice to do so.
 
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Gary T said:
My biggest complaint about Apple's MacBook Pro drives is that they are soldered to the system board.
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THIS

I don't think people realize that once your laptop has some major motherboard mishap all your data is GONE forever. There is no recovery whatsoever.

Current MBP is basically a disposable machine with a very short lifespan ticking to fail on you at some point.

Just watch Louis Rossmann channel on yt, he will give you a very detailed description of all the problems inside MBP.

https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup/videos

One of it is unprotected data bus connection next to the power connection on the motherboard meaning that a bit of humidity can totally fry your laptop.
You could almost say that it's deliberately designed to fail which wouldn't surprise me a lot tbh.
 
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Run&Gun said:
OLED screen would be NICE, but article says LCD...
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I think the iPhone X OLED screen looks phenomeneal, and I haven't had any burn in issues or anything. But I've noticed a trend moving away from OLED in TV panels and VR headsets, etc. It might not be the next big thing, most of the murmurs I read seem to indicate a move back to LED/LCD. I think micro LED might be the true successor.

So for me, staying LCD is almost expected and no big deal.

Thomas Smet said:
This resolution isn’t much higher than the existing MBP which is 2880x1800. Not enough to make the UI feel larger in any way.
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There were rumors of anywhere from 16"-16.5"... I am hoping for a larger screen with a minimal resolution bump. On my 15.4" retina I find the UI gets smaller than I'd like when at full resolution, and not enough real estate when I bump up the resolution to a medium setting. If the 16" model can keep the same maximum real estate without everything appearing so small, I think it would be a much more ideal ratio.

So for me, minimal extra pixels is ideal.

Fahnon said:
Matte screen and Afterburner option please.
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Afterburner seems highly unlikely without an increased chassis size, unless it was a really scaled back version. I think that card is going to be a bit of a larger add on card, and likely require some decent thermal cooling.The nano-etched matte screen would be an awesome upgrade option (assuming it lives up to the hype, we won't know until Fall)... though I find a conservative price on it unlikely. Very curious to see what direction Apple takes with pricing these machines.

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Rounded corners and a notch for where the cameras take up screen real estate? ala iphoneX?
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I'm not sure how I feel about this on a pro desktop. No problem with it on my phone, but to me it's really different working with pro apps and standard menu bars if all of the sudden i have a notch. Now, if OS X had an always present menu bar recessed up into the space on either side of the notch, I'd like that. BUT - nuance - I'd be dissapointed if the increased real estate up to 16"+ was largely or partially dedicated to just a notched out menu bar space. If it's a full, say, 16.4" solid screen size bump with almost no bezels, and then an ADDITIONAL notch area above that with a dedicated OS X bar area that further increases screen real estate, cool. I'd also want OS X to be programmed to not pull full screen movies, games, apps into the notch. I don't want to preview my videos with a little black notch outset when working professionally, or deal with multiple full screen modes just to gain a few pixels.

But hey that's just me.

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All in all, watching this one closely... may want to upgrade in December or January depending on taxes. 2014 MBP still going strong but it's due!
 
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alohype said:
I don't think people realize that once your laptop has some major motherboard mishap all your data is GONE forever. There is no recovery whatsoever.

Current MBP is basically a disposable machine with a very short lifespan ticking to fail on you at some point.
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Personally I think this is a little overstated. Yes, if you have a major motherboard mishap you lose your data, but it is 101 to have your data backed up any device - even more so any MOBILE device. This is a given, and if you are doing what you should be doing, really a non issue.

I don't think the MBP is anymore of a disposable device than most PC laptops today. Isolated SSD storage failures are extremely rare, relegating issues primarily to motherboard failures, screen failures, water/humidity damage, If you had any such issues on any laptop, PC or Mac, you are always faced with the question of repair VS buy new. Across the board, the Mac will cost more on this decision, but that is of course nothing new or noteworthy.

I don't think the "very short lifespan" comment is a statistically substantiated statement, but feel free to correct me if there is data backing this up relative to other laptops.
 
filmguy123 said:
If you had any such issues on any laptop, PC or Mac, you are always faced with the question of repair VS buy new.
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With Apple, repair means throw-away the non-functioning item and replace it with a new one. If this is your MBP motherboard you might have to pay 2/3 of the original cost to get it repaired.

If you took your MBP to an independent repair shop like the one that Louis Rossmann runs, he will try to repair or replace the non-functioning circuit on the motherboard, and you might end up paying him $100 for the repair, instead of paying Apple $1,500 to fix your MBP. ( Louis has so many horror stories of people that were quoted a repair cost of $1,000+ from Apple, where Louis was able to fix the Mac laptop for less than 1/10th of the Apple price )

But Apple plans on killing off independent Mac repairs by encrypting hardware functionality via the T2 chip, so a brand new replacement component won't work if the repair person doesn't have access to the Mac hardware authorization tools.
 
TheDingo said:
With Apple, repair means throw-away the non-functioning item and replace it with a new one. If this is your MBP motherboard you might have to pay 2/3 of the original cost to get it repaired.
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filmguy123 said:
Across the board, the Mac will cost more on this decision, but that is of course nothing new or noteworthy.
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Unless you purchase an entry level Macbook, the logic board repair (even from Apple's expensive 1st party repair) shouldn't be 2/3rds. Aren't they usually around $700-$1200? That breaks down if you are spending $4k-$6k on a computer and plan to upgrade every 5 years.

Statistically needed repairs happen years into a laptop ownership and are relegated these days to logic board, screen, or water/fall damage. These are always expensive repairs and, for the non accident damage, most commonly happen when a computer is far along in its life cycle. I'm saying it's a less nuanced issue than 10 years ago where you had a bunch of laptop modules likely to fail (cd-rom, batteries, physical hdds, etc.) and an all in one unit really limited repairability.

Really, I think boiled down the repairability and cost of the Macbook Pro is much less about a Mac being a "disposable ticking time bomb" and really just comes down to "Apple costs more across the board." They are two different issues IMO that get conflated and the nuance there is important.

(FWIW I am not a fan of Apple locking off repair ability in the way they are).
 
filmguy123 said:
Unless you purchase an entry level Macbook, the logic board repair (even from Apple's expensive 1st party repair) shouldn't be 2/3rds. Aren't they usually around $700-$1200? That breaks down if you are spending $4k-$6k on a computer and plan to upgrade every 5 years.

Statistically needed repairs happen years into a laptop ownership and are relegated these days to logic board, screen, or water/fall damage. These are always expensive repairs and, for the non accident damage, most commonly happen when a computer is far along in its life cycle. I'm saying it's a less nuanced issue than 10 years ago where you had a bunch of laptop modules likely to fail (cd-rom, batteries, physical hdds, etc.) and an all in one unit really limited repairability.

Really, I think boiled down the repairability and cost of the Macbook Pro is much less about a Mac being a "disposable ticking time bomb" and really just comes down to "Apple costs more across the board." They are two different issues IMO that get conflated and the nuance there is important.

(FWIW I am not a fan of Apple locking off repair ability in the way they are).
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Well, did you watched videos of Louis Rossman? He and his team repair MBP's daily and it's what me and TheDingo said. What you're writing is what it should be but in reality, it isn't. The internal design is extremely flawed and goes against good design practices that all other companies do. Also Apple charges crazy amounts for simple repairs just to force you to buy new machine.

Besides that it seems that genius bar technicians have no idea what're they doing:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/apple-spent-10000-repairing-macbook-16511936
 
alohype said:
The internal design is extremely flawed and goes against good design practices that all other companies do. Also Apple charges crazy amounts for simple repairs just to force you to buy new machine.
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What surprised me with Apple laptop design is that it looks like they've done very little to protect their computers from accidental water damage.

i.e. A little bit of coffee or pop spilled on the keyboard can easily disable the computer
 
TheDingo said:
What surprised me with Apple laptop design is that it looks like they've done very little to protect their computers from accidental water damage.

i.e. A little bit of coffee or pop spilled on the keyboard can easily disable the computer
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Exactly, as I wrote above seems like Apple do it deliberately so your machine will fail easily at your fault. Warranty does not cover water damage so it's easy money for them- you'll have to buy a new machine.
Not even a little bit of coffee. People report that it can fail in slightly more humid conditions.
 
filmguy123 said:
Unless you purchase an entry level Macbook, the logic board repair (even from Apple's expensive 1st party repair) shouldn't be 2/3rds. Aren't they usually around $700-$1200?
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Here's a video of one of Louis Rossmann's repairs where a teenager was quoted $1,200 by Apple to repair his Macbook, and in less than 10 minutes Louis is able to repair the computer with a $9 part replacement...

 
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