Ripping Copy Protected DVDs
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Well . . . that's illegal.
Well . . . that's illegal.
Re: Ripping Copy Protected DVDs
Not if you bought a legal copy and kept it entirely private, I suppose. There's no legal software available (the one option you had has a restraining order on it).
However, even if you could rip the DVD (and there are ways), you won't be ripping AVIs or MOVs. The video on a DVD is in MPEG-2 format at 640x480 resolution.
Not if you bought a legal copy and kept it entirely private, I suppose. There's no legal software available (the one option you had has a restraining order on it).
However, even if you could rip the DVD (and there are ways), you won't be ripping AVIs or MOVs. The video on a DVD is in MPEG-2 format at 640x480 resolution.
AndyJ
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640x480?
If it's a normal DVD - then the res. will be regular 720x480 (NTSC) or 720x576. - standard DVD is the same res as broadcast TV.
The only problem is that it's DVD spec MPEG-2 - lossless; not DV, rather nasty to edit with.
There are of course "ways" to convert it to DV, but you've already lost quality by then....
640x480?
If it's a normal DVD - then the res. will be regular 720x480 (NTSC) or 720x576. - standard DVD is the same res as broadcast TV.
The only problem is that it's DVD spec MPEG-2 - lossless; not DV, rather nasty to edit with.
There are of course "ways" to convert it to DV, but you've already lost quality by then....
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[quote author=AndyJ link=board=Vegas;num=1100557552;start=0#4 date=11/16/04 at 09:28:20]640x480?
If it's a normal DVD - then the res. will be regular 720x480 (NTSC) or 720x576. - standard DVD is the same res as broadcast TV.
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Square pixel/rectangular pixel thing. In any case, the point is, as you said, MPEG-2 isn't ideal.
[quote author=AndyJ link=board=Vegas;num=1100557552;start=0#4 date=11/16/04 at 09:28:20]640x480?
If it's a normal DVD - then the res. will be regular 720x480 (NTSC) or 720x576. - standard DVD is the same res as broadcast TV.
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Square pixel/rectangular pixel thing. In any case, the point is, as you said, MPEG-2 isn't ideal.
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Thanks for the response.. I would indeed be ripping MPEG2s. I meant to say I needed software that would rip the MPEG2s, then convert them to AVI or MOV. I've seen a ton of software that will rip only, but I guess I would use Vegas to export the AVIs. Right now, I'm using a Canopus ADVC-100 to record Macrovision protected material straight to DV, but that takes way too much time. Thanks again.
Thanks for the response.. I would indeed be ripping MPEG2s. I meant to say I needed software that would rip the MPEG2s, then convert them to AVI or MOV. I've seen a ton of software that will rip only, but I guess I would use Vegas to export the AVIs. Right now, I'm using a Canopus ADVC-100 to record Macrovision protected material straight to DV, but that takes way too much time. Thanks again.
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Do a search for "DVD decrypter"
Then do a search for "VirtualDub", specifically the MPEG2/AC3 version. You'll also have to install the AC3 filter.
All of these are free, and they'll do what you're asking (convert a copyprotected DVD into an .avi for editing). From a legal perspective, it could still be considered "grey". Fair use allows you to make copies and do whatever you want with them for personal use, yet the DMCA says you can't break encryption which DVD Decrypter does. Fair use has been around for a long time, DMCA is more recent. As far as I know the DMCA and fair use haven't butted heads yet in the courts (or at least the highest court) so keep that in mind.
Do a search for "DVD decrypter"
Then do a search for "VirtualDub", specifically the MPEG2/AC3 version. You'll also have to install the AC3 filter.
All of these are free, and they'll do what you're asking (convert a copyprotected DVD into an .avi for editing). From a legal perspective, it could still be considered "grey". Fair use allows you to make copies and do whatever you want with them for personal use, yet the DMCA says you can't break encryption which DVD Decrypter does. Fair use has been around for a long time, DMCA is more recent. As far as I know the DMCA and fair use haven't butted heads yet in the courts (or at least the highest court) so keep that in mind.
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Actually, DMCA and Fair Use HAVE butted heads, MPAA vs 321 Studios. It went to the California State Supreme Court and the NY State Supreme Court. 321 lost in both cases. 321 originally claimed they'd appeal to the US Supreme Court, but now they've closed their doors.
Their argument was that Fair Use allowed people rip DVDs legally for their own private "backup" copy. However, as you pointed out, DMCA also made it illegal to crack encryption schemes which in themselves are copyrighted.
It's too bad that a buncha a$$@#$! crooks have ruined the enjoyment of backing up DVDs and CDs like we've done in the past. But, I guess that's why we have locks on our doors.
Actually, DMCA and Fair Use HAVE butted heads, MPAA vs 321 Studios. It went to the California State Supreme Court and the NY State Supreme Court. 321 lost in both cases. 321 originally claimed they'd appeal to the US Supreme Court, but now they've closed their doors.
Their argument was that Fair Use allowed people rip DVDs legally for their own private "backup" copy. However, as you pointed out, DMCA also made it illegal to crack encryption schemes which in themselves are copyrighted.
It's too bad that a buncha a$$@#$! crooks have ruined the enjoyment of backing up DVDs and CDs like we've done in the past. But, I guess that's why we have locks on our doors.
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It's a foregone conclusion. Maybe David will differ, as he knows more law than I do.
The Cal Supreme deliberated for 30 days on this. It was that clear. NY was a little slower, it took 45. Needless to say, Fair Use wasn't challenged, as determined by both the courts.
The challenge was demonstrating that by attempting to access Fair Use, the user had to decrypt the software, which is prevented by the DCMA and teh Berne Convention. It's worldwide excepting a couple non-treaty signatores.
Needless to say, I suspect the reason it was tried in both courts on both sides of the US in fairly conservative courts (in liberal cities) I'd wager that 321 probably knew they stood no change t'all. That would make me fold my tent, take my multi-millions, and return to play another day too.
It's a foregone conclusion. Maybe David will differ, as he knows more law than I do.
The Cal Supreme deliberated for 30 days on this. It was that clear. NY was a little slower, it took 45. Needless to say, Fair Use wasn't challenged, as determined by both the courts.
The challenge was demonstrating that by attempting to access Fair Use, the user had to decrypt the software, which is prevented by the DCMA and teh Berne Convention. It's worldwide excepting a couple non-treaty signatores.
Needless to say, I suspect the reason it was tried in both courts on both sides of the US in fairly conservative courts (in liberal cities) I'd wager that 321 probably knew they stood no change t'all. That would make me fold my tent, take my multi-millions, and return to play another day too.
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http://www.dvdshrink.org/
DVDshrink is a good all in one solution to ripping. It allows you to compress and re-encode to get rid of useless extraneous features.
http://www.dvdshrink.org/
DVDshrink is a good all in one solution to ripping. It allows you to compress and re-encode to get rid of useless extraneous features.
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[quote author=SirAllen link=board=Vegas;num=1100557552;start=0#9 date=11/16/04 at 21:27:49]Ah yes, I stand corrected. I knew DVD XCopy disappeared but wasn't sure why. It would have been interesting to see what the supreme court would have ruled, they've ruled in favor of fair use in the past.[/quote]
"Fair use" is a legal doctrine; courts don't rule "in favor" of it or "against it"; they determine if something constitutes fair use. Things which have constituted fair use in the past have been parodies, "time shifting" (taping a TV show to watch later), and use in reviews, etc..
The wholesale copying of movies, though, has very few fair uses. Making a an entirely private backup copy for yourself might be the only one, and I'd imagine that 99% of users of DVD Xcopy do not/did not use it for that strict purpose.
[quote author=SirAllen link=board=Vegas;num=1100557552;start=0#9 date=11/16/04 at 21:27:49]Ah yes, I stand corrected. I knew DVD XCopy disappeared but wasn't sure why. It would have been interesting to see what the supreme court would have ruled, they've ruled in favor of fair use in the past.[/quote]
"Fair use" is a legal doctrine; courts don't rule "in favor" of it or "against it"; they determine if something constitutes fair use. Things which have constituted fair use in the past have been parodies, "time shifting" (taping a TV show to watch later), and use in reviews, etc..
The wholesale copying of movies, though, has very few fair uses. Making a an entirely private backup copy for yourself might be the only one, and I'd imagine that 99% of users of DVD Xcopy do not/did not use it for that strict purpose.
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mino
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It's all to crazy for me... I mean why not just chop off our hands, we may use them to commit a crime. All the cd burning software allows you to make a backup copy. My DVD's (that I have purchased!!!!!!!!!!!) get trashed and scratched all the time, some have been rendered useless over time. So **** the copyright police , on this one they can KMFA I'll back up my DVD's just as sure as I wax my car .... To protect it!!!!!
Sorry, I get a little carried away on some issues
It's all to crazy for me... I mean why not just chop off our hands, we may use them to commit a crime. All the cd burning software allows you to make a backup copy. My DVD's (that I have purchased!!!!!!!!!!!) get trashed and scratched all the time, some have been rendered useless over time. So **** the copyright police , on this one they can KMFA I'll back up my DVD's just as sure as I wax my car .... To protect it!!!!!
Sorry, I get a little carried away on some issues
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[quote author=mino link=board=Vegas;num=1100557552;start=0#13 date=11/26/04 at 19:21:31]My DVD's (that I have purchased!!!!!!!!!!!) get trashed and scratched all the time, some have been rendered useless over time. [/quote]
Ummm . . . how? Do you play air hockey with them?
[quote author=mino link=board=Vegas;num=1100557552;start=0#13 date=11/26/04 at 19:21:31]My DVD's (that I have purchased!!!!!!!!!!!) get trashed and scratched all the time, some have been rendered useless over time. [/quote]
Ummm . . . how? Do you play air hockey with them?
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mino
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I have no idea what the other members of this household do with them. There is no evidence of air hockey tournaments but the title side seems to get scratched to hell sometimes like clawmarks or..............where's that damned cat!!!!
I have no idea what the other members of this household do with them. There is no evidence of air hockey tournaments but the title side seems to get scratched to hell sometimes like clawmarks or..............where's that damned cat!!!!
awesomesean
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that's a good one xort. I would like to back up my bank account
that's a good one xort. I would like to back up my bank account
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mino
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My grampa wished he'd backed up my gramma
My grampa wished he'd backed up my gramma
XCheck
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[quote author=SirAllen link=board=Vegas;num=1100557552;start=0#7 date=11/16/04 at 18:48:23]the DMCA says you can't break encryption[/quote]
One example of how our culture is going berserk with the legal stuff. What if DNA is some kind of encryption? Does that mean we should not try to break it?
Whoever passed garbage like this just doesn't understand human nature, which is, among others, to solve mysteries. As long as there is a challenge (encryption), someone will stand up to it (break it).
What legislations like this tell us that we are criminals by being human.
Making profit or harming the original creator by reselling or giving away pirated copies is another matter, of course, and it SHOULD be illegal. But breaking encryption? Give me a break!
[quote author=SirAllen link=board=Vegas;num=1100557552;start=0#7 date=11/16/04 at 18:48:23]the DMCA says you can't break encryption[/quote]
One example of how our culture is going berserk with the legal stuff. What if DNA is some kind of encryption? Does that mean we should not try to break it?
Whoever passed garbage like this just doesn't understand human nature, which is, among others, to solve mysteries. As long as there is a challenge (encryption), someone will stand up to it (break it).
What legislations like this tell us that we are criminals by being human.
Making profit or harming the original creator by reselling or giving away pirated copies is another matter, of course, and it SHOULD be illegal. But breaking encryption? Give me a break!