Reduser is bad for filmmaking, DVXUSER.com is good for filmmaking, and in honor

[eddavid]

After having all my posts deleted on Reduser for coming out and stating basically that Red's products are good, but a company owning a forum to discuss about said products is a bad idea, the more convinced I am that Reduser is not a good forum for the discussion and global growth of cinematography.

We need open forms of communication to discuss cinematography technology that are open and civil and do not allow for posts to get deleted unless there is abusive threats.

The internet and the global camera nerd community should stand behind the free and open discussion about any product.

I also want to say here how much DVXUSER in particular has helped me grow from being a videography shooting weddings with a dvx100 to where I am now, a videographer shooting weddings with a red one and other things like birthday parties (I stole that joke from Mac) .

This community and especially people like MacGregor and Hunter Hampton and Art Adams and Geoff Boyle and Roger Deakins have helped me grow artistically and technically.

This is a special world we have for camera nerds - an online nerdy place we can talk about things none of our loved ones want to talk or hear about. T stops. F stops. Shutter. Frame rates.

This should be a safe place. And dvxuser is.

Now reduser, with banning and the CEO of a company calling out two camera nerd heroes - Geoff Boyle and Art Adams - in his "farewell" address - that's not good for us nerds.

We need to stand behind these figures.

Art and Geoff have help open communication to camera nerds throughout the world and have shared their technical knowledge with many. I stand by these two people completely.

I am proud to say that I asked the admins to have my reduser account deleted. I will not support an environment of hostility. That is not conducive towards the open free-flowing world of online camera nerdery. And there are only so many hours in the day.

And also, the more I think about it, the more thrilled I am that the Alexa Mini will probably completely wipe away most people from choosing the Red "Fail" aka "Non violent weapon" on their next project.

 

[Gillvane]

Reduser is good if you own a red camera, you think Red is the best camera ever, and want to chat with other red camera owners. That's it. If you don't own a red camera, think Red is the best camera ever and want to chat with other red camera owners, there's no reason to be on there.

 

[Jason Ramsey]

Hey, Ed.

While we are humbled that DVXuser has proven to be a valuable resource for you, please be aware that we generally discourage bashing of other websites. Additionally, reduser and dvxuser are both owned by Landmine Media.

Please be aware that REDuser and DVXuser serve different purposes and cater to different audiences. REDuser is a place to talk about RED stuff, and a place for people to interact with employees of RED, get RED specific news, etc. DVXuser is a place for owners of any camera to congregate, discuss tech that they are interested in, filmmaking, etc.

Both REDuser and DVXuser are privately owned and operated. Because of this, we exercise our rights in determining the type of content that we deem appropriate for a given community. Aside from some universal no-go topics (religion, politics, etc) this is different for each community depending on its target audience, existing relationships, needs of the community, etc.

REDuser isn't meant to be a place to discuss "any" product. It is meant to discuss RED products. It is a place for users of RED gear to congregate (if they choose to do so) and get the latest information about RED products in a timely and direct manner. It is for a group of people using common tools, with (often) common goals.

While DVXuser was always completely independent of Panasonic, remember that it started out as a site that was specific to (not just one company, but) a single camera. Remember, that dvxuser and reduser are communities. DVXuser, began its days serving a community of like-minded people who used the same camera and had common goals. It carved out its own little niche in a little corner of the internet to serve a specific group of folks. Its initial success was *because* of its clearly defined target audience. It grew and evolved over time into something different to meet the needs of its community.

REDuser, is meant specifically for RED topics, and is also used by RED employees as one of the ways they communicate to their customers.

BMCuser, is meant to be for a community specific to a single brand of cameras as well. However, unlike REDuser, we have no formal relationship with Blackmagic, and BMCuser's main goal is to serve as an independent alternative to blackmagic's own official forums. Though, it is still a place that is meant for users of Blackmagic products.

Each community is different, has a different intended audience, and serves a different purpose. And, there are a number of other communities run by other fine folks to choose from as well. Something for everyone

That said, I am going to close this down as it doesn't really serve us to allow DVXuser to be used for "ranting" (for lack of better word) about *other* websites, forums, etc (whether or not they are owned by us). It is a practice that we generally discourage.

Thanks for understanding.