Red's new Mysterium-X sensor at ISO 2000

Very Cool, thanks for posting. I was wondering could you send me a link to the PL Mount for $399 Euro for the 7d/5d you mentioned on your twitter, I dont see any additional info on there.

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Ok, thanks for the link. I see it doesnt work with the Zeiss Superspeed lenses and Cooke's. Too bad, Guess, I'll have to stick with my still glass for now.

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Am I the only one not impressed? Big deal. It was quite a big "match" and one shot looked like he lit the entire matchbook!

I just don't see the "Wow" factor in this.
 
take your camera and shoot the same at ISO 2000 using a single match from a regular box of matches (looks like a standard box of kitchen matches to me) as your key light, and see what you come up with, then. And, (if possible) try to do it with no in camera or post noise reduction.
 
The typical professional camcorder would not require iso2000 though. It would get some useful DOF without stopping down to f3 or so (my estimation based on the DOF of the shots). The master prime at T1.3 (f1.2?) would only give 2cm of DOF but the DOF looks like a lot more. A professional camcorder would probably get the shot at f1.4 ISO500, which wouldn't require much gain.

That match at 12cm must be about 10lux.

There is obviously some light coming from other sources at the back of the shot, where the match cannot possibly emmit.

The images show only 1 pixel for every 9 pixel of the MysteriumX. A 33% downsampling.

What is really impressive about the shots is that the (3200K?) white balance is achieved without visible noise on blue. It looks much better than the sensor on the Red One, perhaps 1 stop better in dynamic range if the native white balance remains the same with the previous sensor.
 
Otis Grapsas said:
The typical professional camcorder would not require iso2000 though. .....
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As impressive as the shot seems to be...I thought the same thing. I guess this is great for the Red One camera...to shoot at ISO 2000 with absolutely no noise. But..my thought is ISO 2000 on this camera might not be ISO 2000 on other high end cameras.

What do I know...
 
For getting the same DOF, you can divide crop factors to get the aperture ratio then multiply that ratio by itself to get the ISO ratio.

10mm f1.4 1/3" ISO100
20mm f2.8 2/3" ISO400
40mm f5.6 4/3" ISO1600 and so on

EDIT: The large sensor is as good (can operate at low ISO also) when you can achieve the shot with the shallow DOF.

40mm f5.6 4/3" ISO1600
40mm f2.8 4/3" ISO400
40mm f1.4 4/3" ISO100

If a 2x larger sensor is also 4x better in ISO vs noise, or a 4x larger sensor is 16x better in ISO vs noise, there is no handicap.
 
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It doesn't really matter the practical application for 2000ISO. In fact, while it will promote some very awesome imagery, it will also promote very uninspiring imagery as well. People will think they don't need to "light" a scene.

Another DP also brought this to my attention: What about having to flag city lights? You can't do that!

However, if this is clean at 2000 ISO, then what does it look like at 400? 500? 1000? These are very practical applications and WILL benefit on all types of productions.

You've also got to consider how great this is for future 3D applications, the cleanliness of image will go a long way in stereoscopic cinematography. So, right, is it PRACTICALY @ 2000ISO? Who knows?

That really isn't the major deal here and somehow I feel most people are missing the whole point of this breakthrough.

I for one have been re-sold on RED and how they operate and, although I'm not at Fanboy/Fanatic Status, am back on board for the big Scarlet Release, 2/3" or larger.

For those who missed it, the read/reset has been updated as well. Apparently, rolling shutter artifacts are near-to-non-existant with the new M-X upgrade. This is yet another factor of the update that excites me.
 
For those who missed it, the read/reset has been updated as well. Apparently, rolling shutter artifacts are near-to-non-existant with the new M-X upgrade. This is yet another factor of the update that excites me.
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Yeah. apparently twice as fast as is currently on the RED One (5ms). At the event at the new RED Studios Hollywood yesterday, they were saying that folks were swinging the camera around on a tripod and were highly, highly impressed. RED seems to think that the whole rolling shutter artifacts almost become a non-issue with the new sensors.

Later,
Jason
 
I'm really happy with my brand new GH1... and then I come in here and see this and realize that I need to make an extra $20k somehow this year.
 
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