Redrock M2
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dregenthal
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Steve Shovlar said:
You'll need to set your back focus according to the toot on Red Rock's website (but in isn't rocket science). I think I focused on the (static) gg at 24 or 25. Then, basically you just zoom until your entire frame fits the view finder. It does need to be shimmed (which was a surprise to me) . . . I just went down to the local hardware store and got a small handful of tiny washers and two new (longer) screws. I also picked up the right size allen wrench. I *think* the wrench was 2mm and the screws were 3mm (take your old ones with you, or the M2 box). edit: oh yeah, and don't forget to turn on the M2 before your 35mm lens focusing or the actual shot . . . ask me! <g>.
Endurance_Man said:
I have heard of some people doing that but I can't see why that would be necessary. For the most part I would pretty much only use it for my closeups, (although I am sure there might be some exceptions). Don't forget also, properly set up you can achieve a shallow depth of field without an adapter (takes a little work/practice).
dregenthal said:
Hehe, put the camera back as far as possible and zoom in. Nice shallow depth of field. The Leica lenses on the DVX and HVX look nicer than the other camera when doing this IMO.
Still doesn't look as good as with a 35mm lens/Red Rock M2 IMO, and it's a problem if you're shooting on-location and the actors aren't far enough from the backgrounds enough to get this shallow depth of field effect. That's when the 35mm lenses really shine.
Endurance_Man
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Thank you. Glad to learn that I could use it only for the closeups and it would not look too different from the rest of the footage.
smelni
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I think it would look very different from the other footage - I have the M2 and have shot with it and it does more then increase control over DOF - It changes the texture and softness of the image. In my opinion, the only way you can use it for part of the shots is by location and with creative reason - for example - only flashbacks with it or a foreign location with it (like the yellow color in traffic's mexico scenes)
I would strongly NOT recommend mixing m2 and non-m2 footage in a covered scene.
I would strongly NOT recommend mixing m2 and non-m2 footage in a covered scene.
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dregenthal
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Of course it wouldn't cut in the same scene . . . his question was whether he would have to shoot the entire feature with it to which I replied no. I would think you are in agreement?
nycfilmmaker
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booth said:
It's all about visual aesthics. this is way some directors choose different lenses and film stock. some want Cookes for there particular softness and others prefer Arri primes
so yes of course it will look different. you would be using two different styles of lenses and setups. But it works. ain't nothing bad about that, just pick your weapons and shoot.
darwinandpaine
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dregenthal said:
How do you render "uncompressed"?
holditnowfilms
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bvalente said:
Yes not all compression is lossy some is lossless. If you are doing color correction of any kind you will need to render so the flip is a moot point.
Hey Bvalnente- Looks like me M2 will arrive tomorrow! Thanks for the great turnaround. Right about 2 weeks or less--Very excited. Just dropped a grand on some Nikkor Lenses too... pheeew I need a drink.
Endurance_Man
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It seems to me that in documentary work it would be very difficult to use the M2 all the time. Specially if you need to use an extra monitor to flip the image.
dregenthal
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Endurance_Man said:
Hmmm, well maybe . . . maybe not.
Some people actually shoot with their camera upside down -- I'm not saying that would be my approach (I have enough difficulty right-side-up).
What problems do you see, for example, in simply turning the monitor upside down (if it did not have the flip programmed into it)? Would probably work for frame & focus (assumming it was an HD monitor). I think that would work for the "talking head" shots anyhow. Do you agree?
Regarding the question (from a previous post): I would use the M2 for CU's but NOT necessarily for coverage or wide shots where I'm not looking for a shallow depth of field.
Endurance_Man
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Dregenthal,
What I mean is that for tripod shots it seems fine, but for hand-held it would be difficult to shoot with the HVX, M2, extra lens, rods, follow focus, and an extra monitor, while pulling focus...
I understand that you use the M2 mostly for CU's, but also read from other people that the image is quite different and would be difficult to transition smoothly to and from non-M2 HVX footage. Do you perform post work to make it look more similar? If so, how tough is it in terms of post work?
What I mean is that for tripod shots it seems fine, but for hand-held it would be difficult to shoot with the HVX, M2, extra lens, rods, follow focus, and an extra monitor, while pulling focus...
I understand that you use the M2 mostly for CU's, but also read from other people that the image is quite different and would be difficult to transition smoothly to and from non-M2 HVX footage. Do you perform post work to make it look more similar? If so, how tough is it in terms of post work?
dregenthal
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Endurance_Man said:
I agree 100%. It had not occured to me that anyone would attempt to shoot handheld with this camera with all that stuff hanging off of it . . . you'd need the arms of a truck driver (or some very long rest periods between shots).
No, I don't. I would try to plan my shots so that a particular scene was all M2 (or none). Then cut to the next scene . . . "plan" being the operative word, otherwise yes, I think that would present some problems.
zoostory
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It's be cool to come up with some kind of shoulder mount for the rod support system, so one could comfortably rest a camera and M2 Rig on a shoulder, ala a betacam. Then you could use the flip screen with a magnet, or, more likely, some sort of clamp device attached to a rod, further out, with a small LCD display on it with a flip switch.
That would be cool
That would be cool