RED Simplifies Camera Lineup & Reduces Prices

It was our last Red Epic-W Helium.

The Red RED EPIC-W HELIUM 8K S35 can upgrade be upgrade to the RED DSMC2 Helium (60FPS 8K) for $4950.

ETA is June 2018.
 
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AndreeOnline said:
With the Scarlet-W and Raven still current, I don't think that is accurate.
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Well are they ? They are listed still on RED but I really had to dig in the store to find a Raven. The announcement seems to be saying “We have too many variants and we’re simplifying to these three sensors in this one body”

Doesn’t that mean at a minimum that all other bodies aren’t going to get any further development ? That they’re effectively EOL ?

If you click on camera builder to put together a kit on RED’s store you sure don’t get to even see that other cameras exist.

http://www.red.com/builder

I’m just inferring by reading between the lines.

JB
 
It's nothing new, JB...RED has always done things their way and constantly change it up.

That's what makes them such an interesting and intriguing company, and it's a main reason they have such a massive and loyal following.

(The RAVEN was never a part of the building system because it came with a media bay and fixed mount.)
 
Red Raven is not dead, this move was for their higher end cameras to make it simple. Red Raven will still be there for those times they need a smaller lighter gimbal and drone camera.
 
I read through 60 pages over at RedUser and was struck by two things:

1.) People are still buying cameras as assets on a financial model sets them up for pain when those assets depreciate. I don't think you can do that, these days. The cycle is too fast. There are all kinds of reasons to buy an $80,000 camera, but I can't imagine the camera itself holding resale value should be one of them. I get that in some cases this was a sudden drop for people, but still. There is a good post out there somewhere from last year that I wish I had the link to about why young DPs especially should be careful buying cameras... a lot of good advice in there. Taking on debt and expecting rental income to pay the bills is a dangerous game.

2.) NYU is nuts. 78k/year tuition and *most students* own Alexa Minis or similar? To the point where a student feels seriously disadvantaged not owning something similar? What the heck?
 
Kellar42 said:
I read through 60 pages over at RedUser and was struck by two things:

1.) People are still buying cameras as assets on a financial model sets them up for pain when those assets depreciate. I don't think you can do that, these days. The cycle is too fast. There are all kinds of reasons to buy an $80,000 camera, but I can't imagine the camera itself holding resale value should be one of them. I get that in some cases this was a sudden drop for people, but still. There is a good post out there somewhere from last year that I wish I had the link to about why young DPs especially should be careful buying cameras... a lot of good advice in there. Taking on debt and expecting rental income to pay the bills is a dangerous game.

2.) NYU is nuts. 78k/year tuition and *most students* own Alexa Minis or similar? To the point where a student feels seriously disadvantaged not owning something similar? What the heck?
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If you buy a camera or any other piece of gear hoping it will hold its "resell value", you're buying it for the wrong reasons and probably in for a rude awaking when you do try to sell it. I've never bought a piece of gear with the thought of "what can I sell it for when I'm done with it or want something new?" Buy it and make money with it NOW. Cameras are not houses, stocks or 401(k)'s. They are tools to make money with, not investments.
 
Run&Gun said:
If you buy a camera or any other piece of gear hoping it will hold its "resell value", you're buying it for the wrong reasons and probably in for a rude awaking when you do try to sell it. I've never bought a piece of gear with the thought of "what can I sell it for when I'm done with it or want something new?" Buy it and make money with it NOW. Cameras are not houses, stocks or 401(k)'s. They are tools to make money with, not investments.
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Exactly.
 
Kellar42 said:
I2.) NYU is nuts. 78k/year tuition and *most students* own Alexa Minis or similar? To the point where a student feels seriously disadvantaged not owning something similar? What the heck?
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What the hell??? What is wrong with students just owning a GH5S or something.... I myself has a GH1 while I was a film student! (and this was back when the GH3 had came out, so the GH1 was already an old and cheap camera!)
 
John Brawley said:
Well are they ? They are listed still on RED but I really had to dig in the store to find a Raven. The announcement seems to be saying “We have too many variants and we’re simplifying to these three sensors in this one body”

Doesn’t that mean at a minimum that all other bodies aren’t going to get any further development ? That they’re effectively EOL ?

If you click on camera builder to put together a kit on RED’s store you sure don’t get to even see that other cameras exist.

http://www.red.com/builder

I’m just inferring by reading between the lines.

JB
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I'm sorry, this isn't meant to be rude but you had to dig? You literally have to click "Cameras" under the store tab and both cameras are right there. Or literally click "products" http://www.red.com/products and the Scarlet-W and Raven are right there next to DSMC-2. If thats digging I need to begin praying for the patience of our society.

They're definitely not killing off that line of cameras. There are tons of Scarlets and Ravens out there.
 
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electricjib said:
I'm sorry, this isn't meant to be rude but you had to dig? You literally have to click "Cameras" under the store tab and both cameras are right there. Or literally click "products" http://www.red.com/products and the Scarlet-W and Raven are right there next to DSMC-2. If thats digging I need to begin praying for the patience of our society.

They're definitely not killing off that line of cameras. There are tons of Scarlets and Ravens out there.
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I’m sure no one wants to hear this but here goes.

Click on RED.com. I didn’t see any mention of raven or Scarlet. I click on products. I see DSMC2 and go there. All the new cameras. I click on “store” and then the top of that list is “camera builder” and I assume this is where you go to build a basket of items starting with a camera and then accessories. There’s no mention of Raven Or Scarlet.

It’s only on my third “look” that I found it under “cameras” under “store” that it showed up for me.

I’m not starting a conspiracy theory. I’m just asking the question because REDs own language seems to be telling me.

JB
 
I think it's likely the Raven / Scarlet are out of the active development pipeline and either in limbo or EOL until they run out of sensor stock/the Hydrogen Cinema module launches. Several people have asked "what about Raven?" and "What about Scarlet?" in the past few days and there haven't been any responses despite plenty of forum activity by management. Silence seems to be telling.

I'm keeping my eyes peeled for used / clearanced Ravens! Wouldn't pay 10k to own one, but 5? Absolutely!
 
There’s a difference between stopping their manufacture and ending support. Lets not forget firmware updates for epic dsmc1 continued well beyond the Introduction of Weapon and dsmc2. Same actually for Red One. And IPP2, the new color pipeline is for all red cameras including the One. The advantage of redcode Raw. All modules introduced and to be introduced- excluding those that need the extra horsepower of the weapon boards- should work on Scarlet W.

I own a Weapon Helium and often work with a Scarlet W. Its picture is as good as my old Epic Dragon, and that is the camera that shot the likes of the Great Gatsby. Thats plenty enough for the 4K present we live in until the 8K reality comes circa 2020+.

The Raven is Red’s entry level camera and should be viewed as such. Its amazing bang for the buck, but since the beginning they didnt include it in the same category as Scarlet and the weapons. Its still current, the images great. Better than Epic MX.
 
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John Brawley said:
I’m sure no one wants to hear this but here goes.

Click on RED.com. I didn’t see any mention of raven or Scarlet. I click on products. I see DSMC2 and go there. All the new cameras. I click on “store” and then the top of that list is “camera builder” and I assume this is where you go to build a basket of items starting with a camera and then accessories. There’s no mention of Raven Or Scarlet.

It’s only on my third “look” that I found it under “cameras” under “store” that it showed up for me.

I’m not starting a conspiracy theory. I’m just asking the question because REDs own language seems to be telling me.

JB
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You make it seem like you're actively trying to not find them. Read my quote above. I can navigate to their website, click once and find it. Much easier to find than going to Panasonic.com or Sony.com. But they're not making cinema cameras either anymore based on the logic of simple website navigation being the telling sign a camera is EOL?

You're not trying to start a conspiracy theory, but you're also actively trying to hint at something that clearly isn't happening based on a website design you don't understand the navigation for?
 
electricjib said:
You make it seem like you're actively trying to not find them. Read my quote above. I can navigate to their website, click once and find it. Much easier to find than going to Panasonic.com or Sony.com. But they're not making cinema cameras either anymore based on the logic of simple website navigation being the telling sign a camera is EOL?

You're not trying to start a conspiracy theory, but you're also actively trying to hint at something that clearly isn't happening based on a website design you don't understand the navigation for?
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Cmon really ? You’re going to accuse me of that ?

I told you the exact sequence of clicks I did.

Here’s a guy on REDs own forum who thought and did exactly the same thing because he saw the same thing in navigating on REDs site. And in a thread that’s called “the future of Scarlet”

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showth...e-of-Scarlet&p=1808073&viewfull=1#post1808073

And here’s the point.

They’re not exactly on the front page. There’s now several threads asking the same questions on REDs forum from those that have made the same assumptions I have and so far it’s deafining silinece.

JB
 
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RED Gemini Helium Raven & Scarlet-W Cameras In Stock at Texas Media Systems

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RED Trade-In Scenarios to Gemini, Helium & Monstro

RED Trade-In Scenarios to Gemini, Helium & Monstro

Below are the RED Trade-In Options available to registered owners of previous generations of RED cameras.

Trade-In Camera must be in good working order.

Epic-W Helium to Monstro $39,500
Epic-W Gemini to Monstro $39,500

Scarlet-W to Gemni $12,500
Scarlet-W to Helium $17,500
Scarlet-W to Monstro $47,500

Epic Dragon to Gemini $14,500
Epic Dragon to Helium $19,500
Epic Dragon to Monstro $49,500

Scarlet Dragon to Gemini $14,500
Scarlet Dragon to Helium $19,500
Scarlet Dragon to Monstro $49,500

Epic Mysterium-X to Gemini $14,500
Epic Mysterium-X to Helium $19,500
Epic Mysterium-X to Monstro $49,500

Scarlet Mysterium-X to Gemini $14,500
Scarlet Mysterium-X to Helium $19,500
Scarlet Mysterium-X to Monstro $49,500

RED One Mysterium-X to Gemini $14,500
RED One Mysterium-X to Helium $19,500
RED One Mysterium-X to Monstro $49,500

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