Red announces Scarlet to ship in 2011

Thomas Church said:
According to what Jim Jannard says all the time, 1080p is out of the picture, so my hope is that they release an S35 3K Scarlet or a Red One "Lite" that fits in their DSMC ecosystem for a far lower price.
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If you believe Jim Jannard, 4K is the future -- for everything, including home delivery. More importantly, he believes it. His justification of the 3K Scarlet never seemed convincing, given that his prediction, if correct, would render Scarlet obsolescent before it was ever released. He also made a couple of cryptic remarks recently to the effect that something that seemed like a good idea three years ago doesn't look so good now, given Red's current vision, and will be changed. Because Red has already released Epic (also announced three years ago), that can only refer to 2/3-inch Scarlet. What specifically is no longer a good idea -- the fixed lens, the 3K maximal resolution, or the 2/3-inch format -- is unclear, but I suspect it's the 3K resolution. It's therefore highly unlikely Red would develop another maximally 3K camera, though I suppose anything's possible.
 
If I had a buck for every interpretation of Jim Jannard's words, I would be able to buy an Epic at 58K and all the Red glass I need. I think it is good news and if you are not in a hurry to buy that F3 or AF100 or whatever wait and see what they,meaning and Canon and Red bring to the table.
 
BrianMurphy said:
If I had a buck for every interpretation of Jim Jannard's words, I would be able to buy an Epic at 58K and all the Red glass I need. I think it is good news and if you are not in a hurry to buy that F3 or AF100 or whatever wait and see what they,meaning and Canon and Red bring to the table.
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Exactly what I told someone who wanted to buy a FS100 next month. In any case, if it's not great news then the FS100 will still be around after Nov 3.
 
And a 8mm T1.5 mini prime is like 20mm T3.5 on s35, I think for me doing narrative drama on a scarlet I have no other choice if I want to use dof to isolate my subjects in mcu / cu
 
you can use sets and lighting to isolate a character as well even in mcu's and cu's, but I see what you are saying you want to be able to do it with dof. I would say in those situations you could also just use a DSLR when a narrow depth of field is required and not obtainable in small spaces or lighting or whatever wont permit it, but to each his own.
 
J Davis said:
And a 8mm T1.5 mini prime is like 20mm T3.5 on s35, I think for me doing narrative drama on a scarlet I have no other choice if I want to use dof to isolate my subjects in mcu / cu
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What about one of the old ways... using a Diopter or a zoom (stuck very close to the talent ;)

Eager to know what the Scarlet is going to be too... Nov 03 is too far away!
 
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.. and if the Red and/or Canon offerings really hit their marks, that means less customers for all the others.

Round and round the mulberry bush like a teddy bear, 3K 4K diddley diddley there.

Cheers.
 
S. Matthews said:
you can use sets and lighting to isolate a character as well even in mcu's and cu's, but I see what you are saying you want to be able to do it with dof. I would say in those situations you could also just use a DSLR when a narrow depth of field is required and not obtainable in small spaces or lighting or whatever wont permit it, but to each his own.
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It's an option (there's always options), but how many people want to spend thousands on a camera that doesn't meet their needs?

2/3"/16mm images have been used to create some remarkable films, but although it's suitable to gritty/documentary-looking projects like The Hurt Locker, and projects with incredibly detailed art-direction like Benjamin Button (where the framing of so many shots made a big deal about the background composition). The fact is, that for lower-budget production (which is what people looking at sub-$10k cameras do) the advantages of the smaller image format (when compared to those of the S35 options available) really don't stand out much.

Yes, for event-filming and documentary filming, it's a no-brainer - but for more narrative-driven work that subject isolation, and image perspective does make a difference (especially when you don't have the budget for great art-direction to fill out the rest of the frame).
 
16mm/s16mm has been fine for years for the indi market... So I have no problem with it, in fact when I started out I would have done anything for an affordable way to shoot and distribute 16mm, to each their own I guess.
 
If you are used to shooting with 1/3" and 1/4" video cameras, 2/3" is a large sensor. More than that it is a more practical all purpose format than 35mm for the solo shooter.
There was an Arri white paper posted at Red that gave some insight into their thinking about resolution. The paper was on the need for 4k film scans to DI for 35mm and 3k film scans to DI for S16mm to capture the full resolution of film stocks with high MTF.
Fact is while 4k presentation may be the coming thing, we still live in a world where HD delivery is not even 50% of the home viewing market yet and 4k digital is in less than 20% of the theaters.
A 3k Scarlet will handily outperform 16mm film and will equal or better the resolution and MTF of all but a handful of existing cameras. If it is good enough for an Alexa, it should be fine for an under $10k general purpose camera system. I would be perfectly happy with a 3k Scarlet, but there is no telling what Red has done with that line. There may be more than one version coming.
 
I wouldn't put much stock in that at all.
EVERY lens is listed as compatible with Scarlet, because theoretically the interchangeable Scarlet model will (or was going to) have a mini-pl mount that could be adapted to a standard PL. Nothing in the RED store has changed - and if that is going to be considered a hint then so should the image of the fixed lens Scarlet that is still on the site.

My guess is whatever Scarlet is - all changes will be made to the store on November 3rd.
 
Finster said:
"A look at the Red online store reveals what could very well hint to a Scarlet camera that does allow detachable lenses."

http://www.cinema5d.com/news/?p=8150
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I wouldn't put too much credence on that. When my buddy was spec'ing out his EPIC, pretty much every accessory available had a checkmark next to the EPIC.

NOT TO SAY that it's not true that the Scarlet will have interchangeable lensing, but...you know...
 
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Why would this mean the fixed is a goner? It can't take additional lenses. How does the absence of clues before November 3 prove or even suggest that Scarlet fixed is dead?
 
Just my gut feeling mostly... also Jim seems to have been referring to it in the singular these days, especially with the announcement of the Nov 3 announcement.
 
kylevant said:
Oh yeah! Wondering if they put that there as a hint purposefully... Well then the fixed lens is probably a goner.
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The only working Scarlet I have seen in person is the 2/3 fixed. With all the money RED has put into R&D for the fixed Scarlet why would it be dropped at the last second?
 
brian hanson said:
The only working Scarlet I have seen in person is the 2/3 fixed. With all the money RED has put into R&D for the fixed Scarlet why would it be dropped at the last second?
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You do have a point there. Although R&D costs aren't necessarily as high as manufacturing costs - and if RED have determined there's not a big enough market for a fixed lens Scarlet then I doubt they'll put it into production. I think we'll be seeing the interchangeable version for sure - and if the Fixed Lens version is also released then fantastic. Everyone wins!
 
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