Programmers Please Put your Hand Up (2b OR !2b)

Hey ZazaCast, being a developer has elements of programming, its just at an even higher level of abstraction (i.e. at the human level;) )

MiniMan, PHP is a grey area, some say its more scripting than programming, others say its programming, I say it’s a bit of both in the sense that it has all the elements of programming BUT designed for a scripting environment. So in short yes it counts (either way).

Ullanta, robots that’s another interest of mine, its pure Mechatronics (that’s Computing + Electronics + Mechanical). Haha I bet you could build a half-decent Motion Control Rig with your talents!

TwistedLincoln, welcome to the club, I think most programmers have their own stash of “library” that they build up over the years, that’s the beauty of programming, “write one, copy and paste and edit forever”

Craig: Please don’t tell otherwise you may have to kill me :D (does it involve funny handshakes and meeting up in car parks (like in the x-files “smoking man”))

Hawk: Don’t come anywhere near my PC! I’m joking, the virus thing is funny, a virus is just a program bug that is by design rather than by accident :D

Bob, I would also like to try my hand at embedded micro-controllers!

To continue with the logic gate example, I still think that your idea is only correct if you are thinking of one single logic operation, however we actually have a combination logic going (2b OR NOT(2b) clearly there are two logic operations going on here.

There are two interpretations that could be seen, case A (NOT and OR = NOR gate)
Case B, two pins 2b and NOT(2b) applied to an OR gate, the diagram describes in detail:

In either case f(x) is not 1 for all values.

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I've got a headache this big and it's got Excedrin written all over it.

And shouldn't this thread be called 2b or !2b ? :D
 
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Anhar - where does 2B' come from? If it can vary, as you indicate, independently of 2B, then you're not talking about 2B OR NOT 2B; you're talking A OR NOT B...
 
ullanta said:
Anhar - where does 2B' come from? If it can vary, as you indicate, independently of 2B, then you're not talking about 2B OR NOT 2B; you're talking A OR NOT B...
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I think its a matter of interpretation, if you interpret 2b and "Not(2b)" aka n2b to be the same variable then you would be correct in your analysis,

However it may also be interpreted as two distinct variables since there is no implicit directive that states that the two variables are the same.

Of course one would have to prove explicitly that 2b and n2b are referencing the same thing, however since 2b is ambiguous because that is the root of the original question "to be" we don't actually know what it is to be, and that is the REAL question... :)
 
I think it's about Hamlet's eternal question of whether or not to continue living...

I can't take this technical stuff any more... Anhar, you're killing Shakespeare... :laugh:
 
Anhar, while I respect your answer, I like Tom's better! ;-)

As to the REAL question... well, I just don't think logic operators work with REALs.
 
P.S. Now my mind is reeling... realing?... where were REALs? Pascal? BASIC? It's been C for so long...
 
ullanta said:
As to the REAL question... well, I just don't think logic operators work with REALs.
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darn, unless the real is 1.00 and 0.00

OR use a Sigmoid activation funciton hehehe...

Hahah, I think even logic has its limits, I mean is Logic itself logical?

Sorry Tom, here I shall redress the balance of logic with linguistic beauty:

"Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?"

Here he seems to point to the mind, indicating that perhaps, it need not be the physical "slings and arrows", perhaps he is pointing towards intellectual "slings and arrows"?
 
Lately, I'm putting in an effort to finally quit doing this programming stuff. I hate doing it. I'd almost rather be a bartender...
 
Tom, do you get the whole "burn out cycle"?

like for me, there will be periods when I really enjoy coding, then I'll "burnt out" and totally hate it, then a period of "calm" then I get that coding itch "new challenge" kinda thing.

I know, or at least have heard of programmers in the industry "burn out" and pack it all in and do something totally different.
 
The reason I couldn't stay with programming is beacuse the enviroment is rapidly changing.
Your current knowledge is essentially only as good as the last operating system and there's multples of them.

Lets' compare that to say, plumbing, where 20 yrs of knowlege, is worth 20 yrs of continous knowledge, and pays a fairly comfortable dependable living without having to relearn everything on a yearly basis.

On on the other hand, 3D modelling/animation is an art, so the knowledge is usually transferable across new releases/platforms and operating systems, so, it's easier to keep pace with new tech. The knowledge does not get disposed like with programming.
Same with filming/lighting/writing ect.

Programmers, unless your a senior, get paid crap. The Seniors get more than our Prime Minister, but so do the 3D guys and film, camera guys, so, that's my take on it.

The entry level guys in Ottawa get minimum part time wage, which is below a basic welfare check ($8.00 part time/ 20 hr wks) . Or at least barley enough to survive. That's competition in the big city of Ottawa. And guys take the gigs because they're desperate. Shame on the companies.
That's the life and times for a junior programmer. Intermediates can get more, but fk me, it's not worth the effort. Like I say, the knowledge is so transient.

But, some guys around here are doing it, and making a living, so, that's just my take on it.
 
Raptor, yea there is a lot of truth to that,

I'm starting to read up on D Knuth's "The Art of Computer Programming", I guess languages may come and go, but the fundermental algorithms and programmers "Zen" experience doesn't dissapear I guess.
 
Anhar Miah said:
Tom, do you get the whole "burn out cycle"?

like for me, there will be periods when I really enjoy coding, then I'll "burnt out" and totally hate it, then a period of "calm" then I get that coding itch "new challenge" kinda thing.

I know, or at least have heard of programmers in the industry "burn out" and pack it all in and do something totally different.
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No. Actually, I was never really interested in being a programmer. I remember when I got my Amiga way back when. I was playing around with Basic and a little assembly on the Commodore 64. I remember talking a look at the Amiga stuff, which was C, and then not even being remotely interested. I honestly don't know how I wound up doing this, but it was never my intention. I don't consider myself a programmer at all and could very easily walk away from this.

The thing about me is I'm able to be a programmer and, at the same time, am an artist which isn't that common. Most people who are artists are unable to do the technical stuff and vice-versa. The artist part of me wins out though. :)

It comes down to the fact that I don't like to think too much... :laugh:
 
lol

I also have my artistic side, but I guess I'm more of a technical artist than a creative artist.

All of the art I've done (not including the 3d stuff) is kinda like "photocopying" what already exists, not original or creative.
 
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