Premiere Vs Vegas?

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Corine

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I really like the new imac 27inch. I also like the fact that I can use windows on it. I’m editing with Vegas 8 but haven’t jump up to 9 yet since I have seen others still having problems with it. I’m using the old version raylight but may upgrade later on.

I have three short films (one finished and two in the works) that will give me a 1.5-hour movie. Each film is connected to each other one way or another. Some people using Premiere for editing and has mentioned in the past that I should switch from Vegas to Premiere. So what is the real advantage to switch besides not having to use raylight?

If I have a raw film clip and down load it in both Premiere and Vegas will both clips look the same when I play it back? If I render both clips out to WMV/Quick time will it look the same or would one have a better look? I have heard that color correction is better in Premiere. So what do others have to say about Premiere Vs Vegas?

Also I was thinking with the new imac I can have Vegas on the windows side and Premiere on the Mac side. And if I edit my film on Vegas could I move the edited footage over to Premiere for color correction etc?

Oh one last question has anyone gotten the new imac?
 
Biggest advantage is the integration with the rest of the Creative Suite (especially if you buy it as the suite -- buying apps separately will take away some of the integration advantages).

And, of course, Premiere integrates with P2 much better, the best of any NLE.

Other than that, it's entirely personal preference. I'd download the Premiere demo and make sure it's what you want before you lay out the cash. It's not something you can just take someone else's word on. Try to see if it fits the way you actually want to work.

As for moving to Premiere for color correction, hands down I'd do color correction in Vegas. That's a preference, of course, but I think most experienced in both would agree.

For moving projects and retaining your edits, as opposed to rendering out a single file, there's no good way to do it -- especially if you're going to have the added twist of doing Premiere on the Mac side.

But unless you really want to work in the Mac OS for reasons other than Premiere, I wouldn't go with the Mac version. There are still advantages to the Windows version over the Mac version. It runs a little better in Windows, and you have options for previewing HD to an external monitor which you don't have in the Mac version.
 
I agree with David.

The integration of the Adobe Products is hard to beat. Try downloading the trial version of both porgrams but keep in mind the Adobe Production Premium might be your best bet.
 
David Jimerson said:
Biggest advantage is the integration with the rest of the Creative Suite (especially if you buy it as the suite -- buying apps separately will take away some of the integration advantages).

As for moving to Premiere for color correction, hands down I'd do color correction in Vegas. That's a preference, of course, but I think most experienced in both would agree.
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From what I'm reading Vegas has a good color correction if so then I may be better off with Vegas since I have that software already. I'm just wondering how well does Vegas work with the new window 7? And is Raylight working well with windown 7? I have sent emails to Raylight asking that question but no one answers back.
 
I haven't migrated Vegas over to Windows 7 yet (I'm in the middle of a project I started in XP), so I'd ask in the Vegas forum for first-hand accounts.
 
I moved from Vegas to Premiere about a year ago. I really enjoy both programs, but I stuck with Premiere due to the whole adobe suite migration and compatibility with photoshop, encore, and after effects.
Really it's just preference. Try a Premiere trial and see how you like it. There's also the option of Final Cut if you have the funds for it. I'm still trying to get myself switched over to using FCP, but I keep going back to Premiere since I know my way around it.
 
Question- if you want to do vector graphics animation in Premeire- what program would you use? (Do flash animations in flash app, then import natively into Premeire?)
 
I've got a similar situation.

I got master collection CS5 for my birthday this year (I married a tremendous woman) and as it's shipping I am getting nervous about leaving Vegas. The only reason why I am considering it is because of integration... and it's the master collection for chuck's sake, but as I watch Lynda.com and train myself for the new version, I see a lot that I just do faster and easier in Vegas and that's giving me pause. I don't want to stop using Vegas, but I need to use Adobe for both personal and professional reasons.

Are there any other advantages/disadvantages for sticking with just one of the two that anyone can think of, or should I just follow my first mind and find a work flow that gives me the best of both worlds?
 
So,

I've tried out a bunch of different ways and this is what I've settled on...

I watched a bunch of tutorials on lynda.com about Premiere and while I love what it can do, Vegas just does some of it faster for me. I don't want to give up Vegas, but I really want the whole suite integration of Adobe so I tried this-

1. edit AVCHD natively in Vegas Pro 9 (I have a HMC-150 and a GH1 which I transcode {1080} to Cineform using Neoscene). Also, complete an audio mix in Vegas.

2. Export/Render to DNXHD 220 4:2:2 which I import to Premiere and do everything else in Adobe- assemble sequences into a master timeline, clean audio in soundbooth, photoshop, etc.

3. Open footage in After Effects for color correction, effects, and mastering, etc.

4. Render out for DVD in Encore (Can't really get into DVD Architect). I may or may not do Perrone's VirtualDub resize technique, it depends on the quality of Encore's encoder and resize stuff.

This way, at most, there are only two passes in worst case scenario. One to Cineform for Vegas, and one to Avid for everything else. From what I've seen, to my eye, and imho there is no visual difference between the two at all, and once I get to Adobe, I'm just moving around and not rendering out.

Now the question of why...

I have Vegas installed on my laptop, so I can be mobile when editing. I can edit AVC in real time and I like the speed I have achieved from Vegas 6 to Vegas 9, but CS5 is amazing. I can still do most if not all of my cutting in Vegas on the move and super fast for me, and finish in Adobe without any discernible quality loss. I mean it's stunning. It even works with 720p60 footage I have disable resample methoded

Just saying...
 
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For those of you who want to say cut in Premiere but then grade in Vegas (not sure why you would but hey) you can export out an AAF file which is basically a EDL on steroids, it has been a while sicne I did that for a test but when I did a good portion of the effects came across as well as the ability to use multiple channels of video and audio that an EDL cant handle. You may need to tweak some of your effects etc but it works both ways, you can also send a timeline through AAF out of Vegas into Prem or from Avid for that matter, or even FCP, you can also send a Prem timeline to AVID of FCP now.

Now as for the great grading dilemma, sure Vegas is OK at grading, but honestly if you want a heavy hitter for grading I would suggest you cut in Premiere and then grade in After Effects using Dynamic Link, then as you make changes to your Premiere timeline it will auto update in After Effects. Colour Finesse as well as all the masking and matte tools in AFX are leaps and bounds ahead of what you can achieve in Vegas. And you get native support for all the DSLR formats as well as RED as well.
 
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