Premiere to Tape back to Premiere?

[x-angel]

I was wondering if anyone else had this issue, or if this is just the "proper way" to do it.

I have noticed that when I bring in short AVI files from After Effects, overlay then on the master video track and then re-export, that a lot of the "sharpness" goes away.

The only work around I have found to this is to export the whole thing back out to Tape, and then redump it back onto my Hard Drive.

I post screen shots a little later just incase some of you need a "visual aid"

 

[x-angel]

here are the grabs:

Example of the Push to Tape, and then back into premiere:

Here is the one that was just exported into an uncompressed AVI:

Both these grabs were treated the same way in Photoshop. You can see the obvious quality loss with the bottom one.

Hope this "clears" things up.

 

[FlintMI]

Export from Premiere>Microsoft AVI, compressor set to "none" - then import into AE. Do your effects. Export the AVI from AE with no compression, back into Premiere.

You will NOT see a loss of quality.

 

[x-angel]

Export from Premiere>Microsoft AVI, compressor set to "none" - then import into AE. Do your effects. Export the AVI from AE with no compression, back into Premiere.

You will NOT see a loss of quality.

That pretty much what I did...here are my exact steps:

1. Intital Dump of Video from Tape into Premiere, saved as an AVI file. (Straight from the Capture Menu)

2. Crank up After Effects 6.5/7.0, import the AVI into the project.

3. Select the part of the AVI I want to effect to apply to. (In this case, an animated name plate)

4. Export from AE's Render Engine with settings on Loseless

5. Import the small clip from AE into my timeline of Premier Pro 1.5, line it up with where it needs to go with the master AVI.

6. Export --> Microsoft DV AVI: , 720 x 480, Deinterlaced.

Now, as I was reading this message, I looked at my seetings. You suggested MS-AVI with no compressor. So I changed that, and I also tried it without interlacing. That seemed to have done the trick.

So now Instead of using this:
Microsoft DV AVI, with deinterlacing turned on.

I used this:
Microsoft AVI, with no deinterlacing, No Fields (Progressive Scan). 720x480

I didn't see any visibile loss. And it saved me from having to dump it back to tape.

So Iwonder what was doing it. The deinterlacing, the Micrososft DV AVI (which you cannot change the compressor on), or a combination of both...

Strange, I would think that the MS DV AVI would have worked better than that.

Another thing I noticed is that I have to shift my clips from AE 2 pixels over to the right it order to avoid any noticeable "pixel shift" in Premier Pro.

It's weird...I never expected that.

 

[x-angel]

Ok.. I just exported the same file with the MS AVI/no compressor settings (the whole thing).

At first the file was like 2.4 GB (that was with the MS DV AVI, DeInterl'd)

With the MS AVI, No Compressor its over 20 gb, and I can't see any loss.

Thanks for the tip...wish I would have klnown this months ago