Matt Gottshalk
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Happily using Adobe Cloud products both at work and home.
No complaints
No complaints
Premiere & CC users: a show of hands
- Thread starter Scott F
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Been using the adobe suite for a while. It has its issues for sure, but for the most part, I am happy.
Ever since getting the BMPCC, I've been playing with resolve more and more. I keep my eye on it as a future NLE, and sometimes I'll edit small stuff in it if it's shot on the pocket. It's getting better as an editor with each release.
Ever since getting the BMPCC, I've been playing with resolve more and more. I keep my eye on it as a future NLE, and sometimes I'll edit small stuff in it if it's shot on the pocket. It's getting better as an editor with each release.
You'd have to ask Adobe that question. Part of the challenge they'd face, though, is what to do with effects and other elements that just aren't available in older versions of the software.
For example, what would you do with the Lumetri effect if you wanted to open a current project in CS6? What to do with an Adjustment Layer if the version you want to open that project in didn't yet have them?
New features come out all the time, so there will always be something in the new version that isn't there in one version back and can't properly be translated.
Honestly, I think the better option all round is for folks to just stay up to date. (Showstopping bugs are quite rate for PP on a proper Windows system.) That we can stay up to date without major expendeture is a huge benefit of the current subscription model.
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deltoidjohn
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Everything doesn't need to be translated: just leave it out! That is essentially what a "save as CC20XX" feature would do.
And while "showstopping" bugs are quite rare, "minor annoyances" are annoyingly common. Why should we be expected to put up with these at every new release just for the sake of being up to date? I've got a well-spec'd, solid, offline workstation and have dealt will many of the same frequent bugs as other people - Premiere 2014 freezing/crashing every time tried to exit, CC2015 only being able to "replace with AE composition" once in a session (every attempt thereafter freezing both AE and Premiere). Thumbnails disappearing/constantly re-loading, etc. It's hard to agree that keeping up to date with the latest releases is best practice for working professionals - for Adobe to expect us to do so to use the advertised features is to totally misunderstand a large portion of their user base - those daily professionals for whom a stable platform is far more important than new features every couple of months (and even that is a promise Adobe are not fully living up to - so far there's been only a slight difference to the old CS release cycles).
And while "showstopping" bugs are quite rare, "minor annoyances" are annoyingly common. Why should we be expected to put up with these at every new release just for the sake of being up to date? I've got a well-spec'd, solid, offline workstation and have dealt will many of the same frequent bugs as other people - Premiere 2014 freezing/crashing every time tried to exit, CC2015 only being able to "replace with AE composition" once in a session (every attempt thereafter freezing both AE and Premiere). Thumbnails disappearing/constantly re-loading, etc. It's hard to agree that keeping up to date with the latest releases is best practice for working professionals - for Adobe to expect us to do so to use the advertised features is to totally misunderstand a large portion of their user base - those daily professionals for whom a stable platform is far more important than new features every couple of months (and even that is a promise Adobe are not fully living up to - so far there's been only a slight difference to the old CS release cycles).
El Director
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It definitely feels like Adobe is more consumer orientated now rather than professional orientated. Lots wiz bang features that make it easy for anyone to do XYZ. "Just like that, you've done this!". I'm not at all surprised. Apple has done the same thing. It used to be that digital video and filmmaking were a niche group of professionals and a few hobbyists, so software was tailored to them. These days, everyone has a phone that shoots HD and maybe a GoPro and now they want something to experiment with editing. I feel like that's the group Adobe is after now as it's a larger userbase than just the pros and hobbyists. Unfortunately, by making things easier for the newcomer, bugs and stability are coming into the picture. I would love to see Adobe not release new features in their software, but work the kinks out of it. That's part of what made CS6 so great, it was a complete re-write of the code.
That would be an option, but can you imagine the support requests from folks whose project didn't open 'correctly' simply because it couldn't?
I really think this feature would end up creating more problems than it solves. Like I said, keeping up to date is a pretty simple solution. Or at least, a coordinated update schedule so that all collaborators update at the same time.
keylight
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Yes. In my mind it was best exemplified with the dumbed-down Lightroom Import process they forced on people late last year. At least they listened to all the criticisms on that goof and rolled it back.
keylight
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Ah.... gone are the days of simply choosing to buy (or not buy) a new version of the software every year or two. At least then you knew exactly what features were available in a particular release.
keylight
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Another example of a program that's targeting Adobe products - HitFilm 4. Some of you may have seen this before. It seems to have a good basic feature set but also has lots to do to get it up to Adobe quality. That said, they are clearly on their way.
There's a free version, and a paid version (perpetual license).
One thing I worry about with all these upstarts is that Adobe attempts to buy out the competition.
Quick peek at the free version promo video:
There's a free version, and a paid version (perpetual license).
One thing I worry about with all these upstarts is that Adobe attempts to buy out the competition.
Quick peek at the free version promo video:
spinkscapes
Well-known member
Premiere Pro CC for video.
Have CS6 for everything else.
Have CS6 for everything else.
Scott F
Pug Life
Interesting & thanks for sharing. The HUD promo was good (I quickly skimmed through their tutorial) but I think you're right....not up to Adobe specs yet.
Scott F
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Well, I'm now contributing fully to their record profits. After futzing around with a CS6 After Effects project for a few minutes, I decided to just go all-in, versus renting PP by itself. The latest versions truly do sync up nicely with more current operating systems. (I'm on Yosmite) I've just got too many ongoing projects in AE and PP to NOT be up-to-date. I was going to try and get by with older software, but honestly, why fight it? (FYI, the CS6 After Effects preview screen came out looking all jaggy with text & such.....bunk) For the work I do, I don't need a bunch of super-tech bells and whistles...if Adobe just works on keeping things stable and fast renders, I'm a customer.
And if you were wondering about upgrading from a la carte to the full package, Adobe will refund you the rest of what's left of your annual account, and then bill you fresh. Just throwing that out for anyone curious.
Thanks for voting in the poll, the numbers were pretty telling.
And if you were wondering about upgrading from a la carte to the full package, Adobe will refund you the rest of what's left of your annual account, and then bill you fresh. Just throwing that out for anyone curious.
Thanks for voting in the poll, the numbers were pretty telling.
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El Director
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Adobe and stability... two words that really don't belong together these days 
Adobe and stability... two words that really don't belong together these days
For macs.
On Windows, man I'm hard pressed to remember the last time PP crashed.
Scott F
Pug Life
Adobe and stability... two words that really don't belong together these days
Ha ha. I know, right?
Based on your first post, it sounds like CC isn't a good match for your workflow anyways. (I'm happy to label myself as a 'video producer'....sadly, not a film maker in this lifetime.)
For the rudimentary crap I work on the current version is solid, even on a Mac. BUT! i will say no sooner did I sing CC's praises the other day, when I got a series of crashes while trying to drag/import media from the browser. Renders are ridiculously fast in AE.....your milage may vary of course.