PP 2.0 Demo - 24p

[David Jimerson]

OK, question . . .

I want to know if my experience is consistent with yours.

I was trying to capture 24p footage with the demo, and these are the results I had.

I captured 24p normal pulldown in a 24p project. No problems; capture went smoothly; I had a clean 24p clip on the timeline.

It captured as 60i and removed pulldown on the timeline, it seemed (clip properties were listed as 23.976 fps), so to confirm this, I switched over to a 60i project and dropped the clip in. It recognized the clip as 29.97. Looking at the AVI clips in Windows Explorer, the clip properties said it was a 29fps clip.

So far, no sweat; it looked like it operates similarly to Vegas, capturing as 60i and removing pulldown in a 24p project. It did so with normal pulldown, which, as I understand it, is an improvement over earlier versions of Premiere. (Is this an improvement over 1.5?)

I wanted to see if project settings had an effect on pulldown removal at capture, so I captured more 24p (normal) footage while still in the 60i project. Capture went OK; clip properties said 29.97.

I went back to the 24p project and dropped THAT clip into the project. It didn't remove the pulldown; the clip was still 29.97. Dropping it into the timeline, it was obviously an interlaced clip.

So, at that point, I was thinking that in order to edit in 24p, you have to capture in 24p. But I also thought it could be a function of using normal pulldown as opposed to advanced, so I repeated the process with some 24pA footage.

24p project: Captured/pulldown removed with no problem.

60i project: Again, clip seen as 29.97, played fine, no problem.

I then captured some more 24pA footage in the 60i project, and then I took that clip and dropped it into the 24p project. If I was correct and you have to capture in a 24p project in order to have the pulldown removed, then the clip should be seen as 29.97 in the 24p project.

It wasn't. It saw a 24p clip and it played smoothly.

So, my conclusion is, that you can capture 24pA in either type of project and PP 2.0's 24p project will remove the pulldown. But, if you want to capture 24p (normal) and edit it as native 24p, you have to capture in a 24p project.

So, the two questions:

Is this consistent with your experience, and is it different (improved) over 1.5?

 

[Kevin Dorsey]

Dave,
I did a quick test, I captured 24p normal, in a 29.97 project. Then I opened a new 24p project, I imported the file, and it automatically was 23.97. So I guess we do not have a consistent outcome. I did a live capture without tape.

My experience with 1.5 was that it handled 24p very well in a 24p timeline. But when inserted into a 29.97 project, the file still read 23.97. So when it was placed in the timeline it had to be rendered, and the motion was terrible and very jumpy. I searched the Adobe forums and many people stated that this was a bug with 1.5. Since I started using 2.0 I haven't had any problems.

 

[soarprod]

Yeah Dave, this seems like a no biggy to me - just pick the project type you need - 60i for both 60i and 24pN footage and 24p timeline for just 24pN footage.

 

[David Jimerson]

Dave,
I did a quick test, I captured 24p normal, in a 29.97 project. Then I opened a new 24p project, I imported the file, and it automatically was 23.97. So I guess we do not have a consistent outcome. I did a live capture without tape.

My experience with 1.5 was that it handled 24p very well in a 24p timeline. But when inserted into a 29.97 project, the file still read 23.97. So when it was placed in the timeline it had to be rendered, and the motion was terrible and very jumpy. I searched the Adobe forums and many people stated that this was a bug with 1.5. Since I started using 2.0 I haven't had any problems.

Thanks -- that answers question #2. Sounds like 2.0 is an improvement.

As for question #1, I'll try it with a live feed as well to see if I get the same result and if the tape makes a difference -- it could.

 

[David Jimerson]

Yeah Dave, this seems like a no biggy to me - just pick the project type you need - 60i for both 60i and 24pN footage and 24p timeline for just 24pN footage.

I'm not having problems; I'm exploring the details of how it works.

 

[mcsmooth]

I've been waiting on the final word on this issue as well. From the reports so far, it sounds like they have fixed the issue of editing 24p at 60i. But it sounds like you are reporting there could be problems with the capture depending on current mode. According to your report, it sounds like the work arround would be to always be sure to capture 24p or 24pa footage in a 24p project. Then you can use it in either type of project after it is done.

This makes me wonder if the file is actually captured differently (actual dropped frames or flags) in the different modes. The best way for a program to be the most universal (I would think) would be to just capture all footage the same and do pulldown during editing/output. Vegas seems to work this way as I can capture from just about any program and then dump the footage in either type of project without problems. So I wonder if you have tried these tests using another capture program, perhaps one that doesn't have 24p/60i capturing options (for example a free one like windv or dvio)?

The other factor could be minor release differences... maybe there are inconsistancies with full version vs demo?

 

[overnighttolondon]

This makes me wonder if the file is actually captured differently (actual dropped frames or flags) in the different modes. The best way for a program to be the most universal (I would think) would be to just capture all footage the same and do pulldown during editing/output.

I'm fairly sure this is how 1.5 worked (capture independent of project settings)

 

[David Jimerson]

So I wonder if you have tried these tests using another capture program, perhaps one that doesn't have 24p/60i capturing options (for example a free one like windv or dvio)?

I did, and it didn't have any problem recognizing and removing pulldown in clips captured in Sony Capture.

Oddly, though, I dropped the 24p (2:3) clips captured in the 60i timeline into Vegas, and Vegas removed the pulldown, so the flags are there; PP just doesn't seem to see it in the 24p project. Maybe it's just a glitch.