PC to Mac G5.

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GWPGearWorx

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Hello all;

As you all know there has been a battle going on and on about what system is better the PC or Apple. This is such a question but from a new point of view.

First off I am a PRO PC User. PC this PC that all I use is PC. But. . . . . Do you know when it is time to move to a new platform ? I sure do and it hurts to even think such a thing, but alas I have been forced into the Apple market ! Why you might be asking ? Well what do schools teach out there ? 90% of them teach on Apple systems.

I am talking about Final Cut Pro and Shaker to name a couple. Not to mention that the G5 series blows away any P4 or Xeon PC out there. (Sad but it is true)

How so ? The GHz is mere myth in most respects. 3.06 HT or the Xeon 3.2 on the PC platform (32 bit processors), while the Mac platform (G5) is using 2, 2 GHz TRUE 64 bit processors, running side by side with 2, 1 GHz front side bus, not to mention 400 mhz Dual Channel DDR memory. so at any time during its use, you are using a solid 2 GHz in Bus speed..... almost ZERO bottle necking. PC's only use a 800 FSB Single which means only 800MHZ at any given time, even if you have a P4 3.06.

So hardware wise Apple are way more powerful than ANY current PC on the computer front, yes even faster than the XEON or HT Systems, 70% faster as a matter of fact. PERIOD there is no debate on that.

Does that make Apple the system of choice ? No, not unless you are using it for 2D Graphics Design, 3D Graphics Design or Video Editing / DVD Mastering.

Apple computers are designed for the business user, the people that want zero down time and 100% productivity. While PC's are designed with the all around user in mind. The people that like to play games, surf the net and so on. So there are good and bad in both platforms.

Anyway to make a long story short. I need a Apple system. This is the one I am looking at: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APP...Kt18lUjN3Q/0.0.7.1.0.5.25.1.2.19.3.1.1.0?44,7

The only thing I am adding to it is 2 GB of ram.

It really hurts to buy a NON PC product but I know myself from the reasearch I have done (4 months worth) That my productivity on my new Apple G5 will jump to 150%.

My Current PC configuration is a P4 3.06HT w/800mhz FSB 2 GB DDR Ram, 160 GB Serial ATA Drive, Pioneer A06 DVD Burner.

So it is a powerhouse in it's own right. I did play with the G5 at my local store here and I was stunned at the speed video renders on it. It makes mine look like it is standing still.

I will use the Apple G5 for WORK and school ONLY and the PC for my gaming and fun times As anyone knows PC's own the gaming world. Hahaha.

I am a Adobe Premiere Pro, Adobe After FX 6.0 user..... And now I am dumping the lot to use Final Cut Pro.

After all within a couple years it will be the industry standard. Pixar entertainment use FCP to do all of their films. And look at those Not to mention tons of other movies are edited with FCP. Is AVID on the way out ? I am thinking slowly but it will be pushed out soon enough.

I have signed up for school to learn Final Cut Pro so I can be at the top of my game or atleast know what the hell I am doing

My question to you is this AM I NUTS or am I doing the right thing ?

Thanks for your time guys and gals.
 
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[quote author=GWPGearWorx link=board=Offtopic;num=1075488839;start=0#0 date=01/30/04 at 10:53:59]Apple computers are designed for the business user, the people that want zero down time and 100% productivity. While PC's are designed with the all around user in mind. The people that like to play games, surf the net and so on. So there are good and bad in both platforms. [/quote]

Actually, I use my macs for everything in between. Work, games, email, net, etc... They can do everything PC's can.
 
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[quote author=Kai link=board=Offtopic;num=1075488839;start=0#1 date=01/30/04 at 11:01:54]

Actually, I use my macs for everything in between. Work, games, email, net, etc...  They can do everything PC's can. [/quote]

wow.. too bad that wasn't true or I woulda switched a hella long time ago.
 
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.. i think what youll find once you really delve into the subject of mac vs pc .. again it really doesnt matter. premiere and vegas or avid and all the rest do the same thing as fcp. and they will all be improved as fcp  is improoved fcp is behind the others in some things they all just clamor to stay on top, and incorperate all the same features.. now as far as which system you want to run your software on ,,,well somtimes you dont have a choice.. if your dead set on fcp.. you have to use a mac. but realize that just because schools teach on it doesnt mean its the standard, or best.. itmeans that they were offered a good deal on fcp from the company  in conjunction with a bunch of apple pcs.. apple has always had a huge chunk of the education market, and will for a while longer i imagine.


but if you want the cold hard facts of which is faster  for doing what you want to do , just take a look at this ... its not completely up to date, but its always the same .. a non top of the line pc beats a top pf the line mac al the time .. and when mac deploys somthing faster, the next day the pc companies annouce machines  that will keep the macs wishing for yet more years. sorry but these are the facts. marketing and a sense of self pride would have anyone believe otherwise though..

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/11_nov/reviews/cw_macvspciii.htm

i dont really care if you like macs.. i dont dislike them.. they are a tool. its like when people think their chevy is better than some other guys ford. they both get you from point a  to point b .. and stinking craftsman vs mechanix or allen.. who cares. its all just a brand  thing..   and for some reason mac owners are fanatics like volkswagon owners.. why? who knows. their really  inst anything that great about them. they are the same if not worse than other options, but its just one of those things.. its like the arian nation for goodness sake.
i know its hard for anyone who loves their chevy ..ford or craftsman, or volkswagon or mac , or white powaz to hear the truth, but your really just brainwashed .. into thinking that your a part of some exclusive high society club that is really just a company or group taking your money -time , and allegiance. everyone else can see it, but i doubt most people have ears to hear.   oh well .. ill just sit here and wait for someone to bash me for driving a foriegn vehicle now...
 
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Jarred-

Not to start a war (at all), but what were you referring to that PC's do and mac's can't?
 
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Not to mention that the G5 series blows away any P4 or Xeon PC out there. (Sad but it is true)
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Not true at all! You better do some research. You should start by looking at some benchmarks done by companys other than Apple.

PC's only use a 800 FSB Single which means only 800MHZ at any given time, even if you have a P4 3.06.
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wow, you obviosly know nothing about computers

So hardware wise Apple are way more powerful than ANY current PC on the computer front, yes even faster than the XEON or HT Systems, 70% faster as a matter of fact. PERIOD there is no debate on that.
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start here http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-6451-6410
and also try www.maximumpc.com forums if you have any questions

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while the G5 is a nice processor, it will be outdated pretty soon. Apple has come a long way, but any time their computers get anywhere close to what a PC can do, PCs break way ahead. There is no reason to use a mac unless you want to use final cut pro. Also did you know that even though the G5 is 64bit, there is still very little support for it. And Intel and AMD have 64 bit processors also, and if you dont want to wait for that - how about dual xeons?

Apple computers are designed for the business user, the people that want zero down time and 100% productivity.
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you must be kidding right? Windows XP is way more stable than OSX and that's a fact.

Actually, I use my macs for everything in between. Work, games, email, net, etc... They can do everything PC's can.
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No they can't. Most software, including games, is not made for the mac. You can't even get Adobe Premeire for the mac anymore.
 
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oh i totally missed that post saying Macs where faster then PC's... wow.. It is pretty safe to say that is rubbish..

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,112749,pg,7,00.asp

Mac got in alot of trouble when they came out with the G5 and made a whole whack of false claims like first 64bit and fastest computer.... The Boxx 64bit came out months before the G5 and the g5 never at any point of its life was the fastest...

If you want your Mac to be as fast as a PC, this is your only option:

http://overclockers.com/tips1133/
 
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Ok fellas..... take some ridalin and ease up.. I can see this going postal real quick. They're both tools like IAL said. However, ;), talking chips, the G5 is still designed by IBM. Windows XP isn't more stable than the unix-based OSX, (at least in my and many other's experince).

And last but not least... the issue of mac's being able to do everything PC's can do... wasn't a reference to which software they can run. Anyone knows it's different software... I was referring to the tasks at which they can perform. As in, editing, web, email, audio, games, word processing, etc.
 
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GWP’s post strikes me not as a legitimate question, but as a big, fat, not-terribly-veiled plug for Apple.

If you sincerely believe everything you wrote above, then why are you even asking?

(To weigh in: for me, I’d rather take the money I’d spend on an Apple and put it into building my own PC. Rest assured, buck for buck, the PC I built would smoke the Apple of the same price – and it would have everything in it that I wanted. Nothing against Apple, but the flexibility of the PC, hardware-wise, makes the decision for me.)
 
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Windows XP isn't more stable than the unix-based OSX, (at least in my and many other's experince).
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The apple gui runs on top of a version of unix, and it is quite unstable at times.  It's not secure either, but i wont get in to that.  Linus Torvalds (creator of linux) was recently quoted as saying the unix kernel osx uses is a joke.

Apple has a decent product, but their marketing dept needs to be shot.  Most mac users believe what they say because most mac users dont know much about computers.  They like everything simple, like their stupid one button mouse.  
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"my imac is the worlds fastest super computer!!"
  -Mac User
 
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I love the looks... you gotta give mac's industrial design team props.
 
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they do look nice, so props on that definitley..espescially the laptops.  still part of me asks." whats the point..?" mine is out of site and out of mind.  im trying to do some serious proffesional editing , and i dont want to see some candy apple laser light shoe out of the corner of my eye.. its those that take it too far that get me..but for sure-its not just macs that do that ..alot of pcs are all fast and furioused out  as well.  which can be fun , but not really productive..

so lets rant on the overdone image computers for a sec most of them i see is like someone putting a fat 5 inch exhuast, and big 5 foot wing on the back of their primer grey 1985 dodge spirit with two gold plated rims and 2 stock ... i have to say ..gimme a break..spend that money on actually making the machine perform better instead of turning it into a circus tent of hilariousness.

a good freind of mine owns an online video game company, and hes got nice servers up the whazoo, but he dosent deack them out in rocket pack boosters , and smoke machines.  just a case for the hardware that gets the job done..

..(keep in mind im not talking about stock computers that look nice..im talking about people that care more about how the thing look than how it runs.)
 
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Windows XP isn't more stable than the unix-based OSX, (at least in my and many other's experince).
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I restate: "at least in my and many other's experience"

Most mac users believe what they say because most mac users dont know much about computers.  They like everything simple, like their stupid one button mouse.
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Wow... what a quaint little immatute comment. I'm very interested to see the demographic research behind that one! ;D

http://www.apple.com/education/science/profiles/vatech/

It's not about the tools fellas.. it's about the work you do with it. THAT's what people can argue about and claim who has the biggest. Fact is, none of us here own Microsoft or Apple (shares aside), so why does it matter. We're all on the consumer end.
 
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"It's not about the tools fellas.. it's about the work you do with it. THAT's what people can argue about and claim who has the biggest. "

...definitely agreed.


people used to have to sit and cut actual filmstrip into edited films... and they made timeless movies that many people cutting on modern digital nles will never touch the glory of .. espescially if they are cutting on a mac! ..lol..just kidding.
but really it doesnt matter . just build your editing hardware around your editing software.. not the other way around.
 
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I agree with IAL and Jdogg...

Mac users (the ones I have met) remind me of VW or Subaru owners. A weird mix. That is a genralization and not an absolute.

I find it odd that Mac users are constantly trying to almost justify why they even use one in the first place.

They are both tools. I prefer the PC which seems to take quantam leaps in performance and is always evolving.

From time to time I have to run to Kinkos (Mainly if I'm scanning) and I have to use their MAc and feel like shooting myself. Myself and every employee there gets frustrated real quick and we all say "Why isnt this a PC?".

Mac's do seem to dominate the "art and design" world. but the simple fact is, there is nothing you can do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC.
 
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VW for sure.. I betcha 90% of apple users drive VW ha ha ha...

but yes.. FCP is an awesome program and alot of full features are cut with it. They are just all tools, but realistically PC owners own alot more DVX's then mac people do.
 
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Man I have been sitting on the sidelines watching this one...

I used to work for a large game company and on any give day would work on a Mac a PC and a Unix work station all for the same project...they all had there own qwerks and all did crash...no more elegant than the other.

What really mattered was when the producer or the client came in and said...
"That looks great man..."
they didn't give a **** what system baked the bread.
 
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