Pasting the sequence and other questions

Dmitry Kichenko

Dmitry Kichenko

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Hi, guys!

I've been using Avid for half a year now, and was quite pleased with it, especially with its organization and preciseness of the editing process. Of course, the main drawback for me seemed to be the fact that Avid always re-encodes the imported material with its codec, which means loss of quality, but I'm finding my way around it.

Anyway, right now I have a question about sequences - I am a former Premiere user, and Premiere has this function when you can paste a sequence within another sequence and it stays as one large clip. So I can trim and cut the sequence, not its elements. Is it possible to do the same with Avid? Because when I simply drag and drop a certain sequence within another one it pastes in all of the clips from the original sequence, which isn't exactly what I'm after.

Help appreciated. Thanks! More Avid related questions coming.. Hehe
 
i hope that i am understanding you correctly.....you would like to combine sequences in the same timeline.

try this,...........on all of your sequences that you want to insert on your timeline, make sure that all tracks are selected, i.e V1, V2, A1, A2....etc, i.e ofcourse if you need those tracks,
then simply start a new sequence or use one that you already have. highlight your sequence in the bin by left clicking it, do not release your LMB, drag it in the edit window
(if you are on the dual window setup, it would be the left one............sorry i'm not at my edit computer right now, so i can't check the correct names at this point in time),
your sequence would now be loaded into your monitor but not the timeline, place your 'in' and 'out' markers, and just insert in your timeline.

i hope this makes sense.

another way to do this, is to use the basic editing setup, i.e where you only have one window open, the composer window.
in this instance you double click your sequences, which open in new windows and then just edit them onto the timeline.

happy editing........

kumaran
 
Thanks for the advice. It does work, though not exactly as I though it would. I thought it'll be nice to have the inserted sequence being represented by one "clip", like you would have it in Premiere. But in case of editing in the monitor it just pastes the layout of the clips within the source sequence into the sequence I'm working in. Anyway, it works fine this way too. But I now remembered my second question :).

As I'm sure most of people do, I always tweak my effects and color correction during the editing. Now, after I render it and want to tweak it again, I'll have to re-render the effect in order to not consume CPU power or to be able to output back to tape. But the problem is, Avid keeps all of the previous renders of the effect in the OMFI folder (that's the only thing I really don't like in Avid, that huge dump of files called OMFI MediFiles). Is there a way to automatically get rid of the old renders, or are they cleaned up after the end of the work session?

Thanks!
 
ok, just to add to your first question, if you wish to see you sequence just as one clip in your timeline, you can perform a video an audio mixdown. what this does is simply creates a new clip, video seperately, audio seperately, so you can insert them into the timeline.

however make sure that you are finished finetuning your sequence before performing this. if you wish to further finetune your sequence after doing a mixdown, you would have to do another mixdown. (also, even though your video and audio is seperate, you can still sync them within the bin, so they act as one)

next question- renders
you can manually delete your renders, but will have to be very careful how you do this.
should you wish to re-render a particular sequence, go to the tools menu, and choose media tool. a window should pop-up giving you certain options. eg, which drive you wish to access and what type of files you wish to delete.

choose the drive that has your renders. choose the file option 'pre-computes'
this is all your renders for the project. then press ok, or something to that effect,( forgive me, not at computer)

this will open up a window showing all the renders you have performed with sequence names. delete all the renders for a particular sequence, or for all sequences, your choice,
exit and render the sequence.

this would have cleared all your previous renders and only your new rendering would be present, thus optimising disk space.
there is also a way to delete particular renders, but i suggest you getting comfortable with this first before trying something delicate like that.

hope it helps you

kumaran
 
Michael,

I've been thinking about the same thing and didn't yet have an opportunity to do a comprehensive search in the manual/help.

It'd be great (really great) if a sequence within a sequence were treated as an un-editable object. Then the sequences could easily be re-ordered if, for example, another order worked better in the overall piece.

... then double-click the embedded sequence to open it in the timeline.

Any way to do these today?

Thanks.
 
oigflabble said:
Michael,

I've been thinking about the same thing and didn't yet have an opportunity to do a comprehensive search in the manual/help.

It'd be great (really great) if a sequence within a sequence were treated as an un-editable object. Then the sequences could easily be re-ordered if, for example, another order worked better in the overall piece.

... then double-click the embedded sequence to open it in the timeline.

Any way to do these today?

Thanks.
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yep, try using the submaster effect............
 
sorry for being a late comeer, but if i under stand, you want to copy a section of your seq into another diff. seq. if that is right try this. make sure that the tracks that you want are turned on, place a in and out, Copy this, (command/c), now pull up your clipboard monitor, you should see the part of the seq that you just copyed. Now load in the seq that your editing to, and edit from the clipborad monitor. Remember, what ever you lift or exsract ends up in the clipborad monitor
 
Kumaran, waykool,

Thanks for the responses, but neither suggestion is quite what I am after.

The keys to the request that I am making are:
(a) Abstraction, the ability re-order items larger than clips in the time line.
AND
(b) Traceback, the ability ad hoc to go back to a source sequence, make changes and tweaks, and have those changes update in the higher-level sequence... without re-rendering etc.

Examples:

In this example each scene A, B, C == an Avid "Sequence".

In a "Master Sequence" (for lack of a better word) rearrange the order of scenes A, B, C to A, C, B.

Double-click to drill down on scene B (open the sequence in a timeline) add a few clips to make scene B thirty seconds longer.

Go back to the "Master Sequence" (no intermediate steps: mixdown, marking etc) to see that the change has propogated and it is now thirty seconds longer.
 
oigflabble said:
The keys to the request that I am making are:
(a) Abstraction, the ability re-order items larger than clips in the time line.
AND
(b) Traceback, the ability ad hoc to go back to a source sequence, make changes and tweaks, and have those changes update in the higher-level sequence... without re-rendering etc.

Examples:

In this example each scene A, B, C == an Avid "Sequence".

In a "Master Sequence" (for lack of a better word) rearrange the order of scenes A, B, C to A, C, B.

Double-click to drill down on scene B (open the sequence in a timeline) add a few clips to make scene B thirty seconds longer.

Go back to the "Master Sequence" (no intermediate steps: mixdown, marking etc) to see that the change has propogated and it is now thirty seconds longer.
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hi, i know what you're wanting, unfortunately Xpress Pro does not provide that function/option, like PPro does (not to my knowledge that is).
the only way you can do this is by mixdowns and using the submaster effect.
this is however a long process, with alot of rendering required...............this is the only way to see just one clip per sequence.

it would be nice to have that function from PPro in Xpress Pro.
 
Actually I've never used Premiere. I'm just interested in the maximum flexibility possible to allow me to improve my storytellng at each point in development.
 
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