Pansonic Customer Service - A Camera Odyssey

I wasn't sure where to post this - so the cafe seemed as good a place as any.

I thought it might be good to share this story so far, in case anyone had any advice or similar experiences.

I bought an HVX from Spec Comm back in Februrary (and I can't recommend them enough by the way).

About a month later we were shooting in a studio, and looking at the monitor saw that we had what appeared to be a red cast on the left side of the screen, and a greenish/cyan cast on the right side of the screen. I assumed at first it was an issue with the lighting, but once I panned the camera around and saw that the cast was staying with the image I realized it wasn't the lighting at all.

I then jumped to another wrong conclusion and assumed it was my monitor. The camera was brand new...the monitor is rather beat up... etc etc. Well, once I got back to the edit room it was clear it was on the footage itself. So, it was coming from the camera.

After much testing I found that the problem is occurring behind the lens. The color cast is there at every focal length as far as I can tell - so it's not a lens issue.
Clearly this wasn't something I was going to solve on my own.

Luckily the camera is still under warranty - so, after going out of town for a while, and waiting for a break in my schedule, I finally was able to get on track with getting the camera looked at.

I emailed Jan and she responded to me almost immediately and told me where to go on the Panasonic site to find the right place to call, etc. She was helpful as she always is.

The Panasonic site said to call the "Panasonic Broadcast DV" service center.
In fact, it said:

As the owner of a Panasonic Broadcast DV Product, you're entitled to our special DV Product Service. Please call 1-800-524-1448 and our representative will give you all the information on this service and they will issue you a special RA #.

They are open saturday, so I called on 6/23 in the morning (the first day I wasn't shooting in a very long time). A customer service rep answered and I gave her my story. She said that an engineer would call me back at the start of the week to go over the problem with me. Sounds good.

By the following wednesday I hadn't heard from anyone - so I called back around noon that day (6/27). The woman I talked to this time told me that they had no record of my original call and that she would have to enter the info again. This kind of thing happens, and she apologized for the oversight - I'm okay with that. We all make mistakes. She assurred me that someone would get in touch with me within 24 hours.

Well...Thursday came and went.
When I didn't hear back from anyone I finally decided to contact Spec Comm.
I got an immediate reply from Andrew, who told me he would they could take a look at the camera immediately if I wanted to send it back to them instead. When I explained my hectic shooting schedule to him, and the fact that I can't really be without a camera right now - he said that they could possibly supply me with a loaner HVX in the meantime. I couldn't have asked for a better response. BUT - I figured I would give Panasonic until the end of the week to get back to me seeing as I'd already started the process.

Well...after not hearing from anyone that day, I waiting until the afternoon on Friday and finally called back AGAIN (this is now the 3rd time). Keep in mind this is now the 2nd time I'm waiting for a call...and its 48 hours after I was assurred that an engineer would call me within 24 hours. Well this time a man answered the phone and I really wish I had thought to ask him his name - because he honestly could only have been ruder had he insulted my mother. He sounded as if he was doing me a favor by answering the phone. I explained the situation to him, and he cut me off saying "Well we can't do anything. You need to call the West Coast center," in a tone of voice that made it sound as if he thought I was an idiot and should have known that.
I asked him for the number, he told me it was on the website. I told him I was in the car at the time, and he finally gave me the number.

I called the West Coast service center - went through the extensive menu, was on hold for about 5 minutes when finally a voicemail greeting answered. I left a message after the beep, clearly stating that I needed to talk to someone about sending in my camera, and I repeated my name and phone number.

It is now Tuesday afternoon and I have yet to hear back from anyone.
So I think I've been patient enough.

After 10 days of not being able to get a hold of anyone at Panasonic that seems interested in helping me get my camera looked at, I just contacted Spec Comm again.

I'm not posting this with the intent of slamming Panasonic.
I just thought it would be good for others to hear this story - if my experience is an anomoly I would like to know. But if others are having the same problems with customer support - I think its important for other people to know that as well.

I think I'm a rather reasonable and patient person.
But having 10 days go by without being able to talk to anyone who can even give me the basic information of what I need to do seems a little extreme.

If anyone at Panasonic finally calls me back, I'll let you know.
But I'm not holding my breath.
 
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really pathetic you were treated that way. i hate dealing with big company call centers.
 
Yeah, sounds maddening. They are pushing you. It sounds like you need to push back.

I would call back and when you get somebody NO MATTER WHAT CALL CENTER YOU CALLED OR ARE SUPPOSED TO CALL I wouldn't let them off the phone until they agree to resolve it.
 
I just pulled a still from one of the shows so you guys can see what I'm talking about.
You can see the red cast on the left here pretty well:

HVXsample.jpg




By the way - as an interesting side note to this story....
I sent Spec Comm an email right before I posted this thread (about 15 minutes ago)
In the time it took me to pull this still to post as an example I have already heard back from them. THAT is customer service.
 
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Luis,

I'm not a video camera tech, but I did repair and assemble motion picture cameras and optics for about thirty years. To me it looks like either the rear optical group (collimation group) in your lens or the sensor has become cocked. So far as you know, did the camera substain any kind of shock or impact damage? Also does the problem lessen when you stop the lens down? As this would indicate a mechanical/optical problem as opposed to an electronic one as the increased depth of FOCUS (not field) with a smaller stop would help hide the error.


Good luck,

Chuck
 
Wow, sorry about your terrible luck dealing with Panasonic. Furthermore, as a potential HVX customer, I'm concerned with the multiple posts I've read of people having a similar problem with their cameras.
 
Luis,

I'm not a video camera tech, but I did repair and assemble motion picture cameras and optics for about thirty years. To me it looks like either the rear optical group (collimation group) in your lens or the sensor has become cocked. So far as you know, did the camera substain any kind of shock or impact damage? Also does the problem lessen when you stop the lens down? As this would indicate a mechanical/optical problem as opposed to an electronic one as the increased depth of FOCUS (not field) with a smaller stop would help hide the error.


Good luck,

Chuck


The camera has definitely not suffered any sort of shock or impact damage.
I've been the only one shooting with it, and until I have children of my own this camera is it.

I'll do some tests on the Fstop when I get a chance.
The still you see above was shot at around 4-4.8
I do what I can to never shoot above 5.6 so I don't have anything to show you above that.

The color cast is fairly well hidden in most of the footage I've shot, which is why I've been able to go ahead and forge ahead - but in the above setup it is fairly obvious given the background.

We'll be shooting with the same set up this upcoming weekend (using a different HVX, and using the problem cam as the 'B' camera) - If I get a chance on set I'll get some shots of the white backdrop at different Fstops and see what the results are.

Thanks for your input.
 
Wow, sorry about your terrible luck dealing with Panasonic. Furthermore, as a potential HVX customer, I'm concerned with the multiple posts I've read of people having a similar problem with their cameras.


Yeah - I've gotten a little worried too Terry.
I've seen some similar issues out there - but nothing that points to a consistent problem.
of course I don't know which would be more worrisome - 1 consistent problem across many cameras, or many different problems.

I will say that aside from this issue (which obviously needs to be resolved) - I've been nothing but thrilled with the camera itself and I don't regret the purchase for even a millisecond. It is a killer little camera.
:thumbsup:
 
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You've just completely convinced me to send my DVX to Spec Comm if something ever goes wrong with it.
 
Hi Luis,

You could have also contacted me again to find out what is going on. Please contact me via PM and let's see what we can do. Although I would also endorse your sending the camera to Spec-Comm. They are authorized to service this and are outstanding in the customer service department as witnessed here time and time again.

Best,

Jan
 
Wow Luis - Thanks for sharing this! Just the kind of thing makes this place invaluable.

I currently shoot Sony, but have been eyeing a Panny for quite a while. Spec-Comm just got added to my preferred provider list for sure. Be sure to keep us posted on how this develops!

Things like this always weigh in one's judgement when considering major purchases. It's great that 3rd parties can provide support, but even they have to go back to the source for parts & procedures. Hopefully that end isn't so %$#-ed up.


Good Luck and thanks again for keeping us apprised.
 
Jan -

Thanks for posting here.
I'm sorry I didn't see this until just now.
I'll be sending you a PM as soon as I post this.

I realize I could have contacted you directly again, and the thought did cross my mind, but honestly I didn't want to have to bother you with it.

Thanks for taking the time to respond here.
I do appreciate it.

EDITED TO ADD:
PM Sent
 
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Wow Luis - Thanks for sharing this! Just the kind of thing makes this place invaluable.


I'm glad to others seem to find this useful - I was a little worried it would seem like I was just trying to slam Panasonic - which is not my intention.

I'll definitely keep you posted as things develop.

My biggest hurdle right now is trying to find a decent break in my schedule where I might be able to actually send the camera off. So as of right now, things aren't being held up by anyone but me (just to be clear). Andrew at Spec Comm told me on Tuesday that I can ship the camera to them as soon as I can and they'll take a look at it - so now I'm just trying to figure out how long that might take so we can figure out the possible use of a 'loaner' HVX so that I won't have to cancel any shoots.
 
fwiw, I'm still working towards an HVX in my future. No harm, no foul here. :thumbsup:

You won't regret it Terry.
It really is a sweet camera - I actually debated for quite awhile before we got it.
For the majority of the work we're doing right now, we probably could have gotten away with a smaller HDV camera (we considered the canons) - but in the end we figured we should invest in something that would last us longer term than just this one contract we had that required HD content.

Long story short - I haven't looked back, don't regret it for a second, and the difference in money we would have saved is already negligable considering the HVX has paid for itself a few times over (well, actually I'm doing most of the work, it just sits there on the tripod).

It really is one of the most versatile and slick cameras I've ever worked with.
 
Good to hear things are starting to work out for you Luis. Also, that Green red fringe, is probably the CCD block misaligned.red green isnt really a optical abberation, and if it were it would be happening on the edges of the mans jacket, face and hands. not feathered off from the sides of the frame.
 
Hi Luis,

You could have also contacted me again to find out what is going on. Please contact me via PM and let's see what we can do. Although I would also endorse your sending the camera to Spec-Comm. They are authorized to service this and are outstanding in the customer service department as witnessed here time and time again.

Best,

Jan

Seriously Jan, you are legend around here for getting the user problems solved. But when are Pana gonna give you the ground support? Its like the only person in the army with a weapon is the general.

Luis, Im sure Jan will sort you but seriously. FWIW the customer service from Pana in Japan is second to none.

EDIT: Panasonic is holding a workflow seminar almost every week here for free - to client of companies that just do rentals.
 
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UPDATE -
I got a phone call about an hour ago from an engineer at Panasonic.
He mentioned that he had communicated with Jan and he apologized sincerely for the problems I had getting a hold of someone.

He already knew all the details about the camera issue I'm having - unfortunately when he called I was in the car and couldn't take down any notes and numbers.

He is going to call me back this afternoon.
 
UPDATE -
He called back, as promised - could not have been nicer.
Gave me the phone number of someone else to talk to at the West Coast Service center, as well as this persons email address.

I'm going to forward them all the relevant info as well as some frame grabs so they can see the problem - and then we'll take it from there.
 
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