Panasonic AG-HVX200 & Prem Pro

A way for PPro to read the MXF's and decode DVCproHD. www.DVfilm.com 's raylight software will let you work with the footage but it is really slow when you do it at full quality - and the rendering of effects like color correction is horrid. I am going to buy a mac just to edit this stuff and do everything else on pc.
 
I know cineform is developing a plug-in that will make PP2.0 compatible with the HVX. You can check out their web site -

www.cineform.com

Check out AspectHD and review the FAQ's. I'd say hopefully something will be announced at the NAB show in April - but I'm just guessing.
 
the matrox axio series supports dvcpro HD but not at all framerates for the HVX. it appears that the cineform or DVfilm methods will take the cake.. whichever comes first as a fully functioning application. although cineforms aspect HD once out will support multiple streams simultaneously at full res. ...and from what i can tell right now it will seemingly work with all frame rates + frame sizes of the HVX. of course this is just speculation but seing as it supports most of them already for HDV its not a very wild speculation to make i wouldnt think.
 
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I spoke with Adobe. They told me to download 2.0 and try. Hmm. Matrox answered the following to my question: "Yes, Axio HD, Axio SD and Axio Le will support DVCPRO HD . As for the successful integration of Adobe, Matrox hardware is specifically designed to work with Adobe , and was developed in collaboration with Adobe ."
 
For capturing via firewire, perhaps. But there's no support whatsoever for MXF import in Axio, is there? So it would be of extraordinarily limited usefulness with an HVX, no?
 
So right now as we speak, is this the best method for PP 2.0? Use Raylight to create 2 wrapper AVI files. One will be the high quality setting, and one would be low quality setting. Edit the piece with the low quality clips so you get realtime playback. Then when ready to make your final export, relink the files to the high quality ones. Your edits, transitions, and effects should stay the same. This is what I've come up. Is this the best solution right now for PP 2.0?

I tried making Divx AVI files from the High Quality Raylight file, but Divx doesn't like Raylight, and it wouldn't (maybe because I have the free version of the DivX codec). It would be nice to have Divx stand-ins instead of the Low Quality Raylight standin, because the quality of the image is so much higher, and the amount of file space it takes up is so much lower. But, the one good thing about Raylight is the encoding from MXF to Raylight is pretty fast, so making two versions (low and high) isn't too bad.
 
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Actually in the workflow above you would want to have a folder(s) on your windows machine with the low quality raylight and the MXF files with them. You would want the exact same folder structure with the high quality clips (you dont' need the MXF files for these folders). Once you are ready for your final export in PP 2.0, overwrite the low quality folder(s) with the high quality clip folder(s). The high quality AVI's will replace the low quality AVIs (make sure they are the same name), and the MXF files will be untouched. Now when you open PP 2.0, the LQ files will be replaced automatically with the HQ files. You won't need to do any linking inside of PP 2.0. Also, at the same time it deleted the no longer needed LQ clips off of your machine freeing up hard drive space.

So what do we think here? Am I an idiot?
 
Barry_Green said:
For capturing via firewire, perhaps. But there's no support whatsoever for MXF import in Axio, is there? So it would be of extraordinarily limited usefulness with an HVX, no?
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yep, it doesnt support the MXF files at all. you have to ingest using firewire or component, and who seriously wants to do that..? just the fact that it doesnt support all the framerates was bunk enough for me to pass it over. I really think that its between cineform and raylight right now. raylight works decent, but not really good enough right now to be considered a real pro solution in my opinion. cineform has thier stuffs together as far as the full support for things goes, but its a waiting game for them to update aspect hd with the support right now. however i do think itll be the way im going unless raylight springs a few more rabbits out of its hat to really compete (aside from the low cost).
 
..for export from raylight i just change its quality setting to "best" and simply export. thats all you need to do really. the low res proxy version of the footage is stored in the raylight files that are needed for linking and reading the MXFs so you shouldnt really need to do anything with them at all.
 
I feel like a broken record, but seriously -- download the Edius Broadcast demo and give it a try. Full-speed playback, the best MXF implementation of any editor (way better than Apple's, and better than Avid's too)... if it works for you, it might be a reasonable alternative.
 
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edius broadcast eh?
hmmmm...

yeah, ill have to check it out. either way ill have PPRO2.0 though since i always buy the adobe pro suite, so its a cost saver, but if edius can deliver till PPRO does solidly through some solution, its definitely worth a look. thanks for the heads up.. again, and again.. and again:)
 
With all the complaints about PPro2 I was not looking forward to this upgrade. But becuase of upcoming projects I decided to go ahead and upgrade this week. Although I have not had the chance to hammer on it all that much the new Production Studio has been a pleasant surprise. The level of integration of AE, PPro, Photoshop, Encore, Audition, and Bridge with Dynamic Link really improves my overall workflow.

I recently sold the Canopus RexRTPro, their previous broadcast solution, and as much as I like Canopus products they are quickly becoming an island. If all you need to do in post production is edit then Edius might well be the right solution. If you need to work with other artisans then its probably not that good of a solution. They might be very compatible with the HVX but not with Apple, Avid, Discreet or Adobe.

I think CineForm will add the compatibility between the HSX and Adobe long before Canopus can add compatibility with all of the other tools required in post.
 
Neil Rowe said:
..for export from raylight i just change its quality setting to "best" and simply export. thats all you need to do really. the low res proxy version of the footage is stored in the raylight files that are needed for linking and reading the MXFs so you shouldnt really need to do anything with them at all.
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Damn, I didn't know that. I thought either you made a high or low quality reference from the very begining. I didn't realize you could change the settings on the fly after the clip has already been encoded. I just tested it out, and it works great. This isn't near as bad a solution as I once thought. Sure, Canopus Edius is awesome with the MXF support (MUCH better than the current Raylight/Adobe solution), but if you already own Adobe Production Studio then I see this as being a workable solution until Adobe offers an update. I use AE alot, so staying inside of Adobe products is very beneficial to me because of the new Dynmaic Link. Now I can spend that $1000 I was going to use on Edius to buy me a new monitor (or at least part of the monitor). Dell 30 inch...yummy :)
 
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