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David Jimerson

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A director and a writer/director I respect very much as artists apparently need all sorts of bogeyman to explain why "Basic Instinct 2" flops:

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=510632006


Paul Verhoeven, director of the first "Basic Instinct" (which scored $353 million world-wide) as well as the widely ridiculed "Showgirls" (now regarded as something of a camp classic), attributes the genre's demise to the current American political climate.


"Anything that is erotic has been banned in the United States," said the Dutch native. "Look at the people at the top (of the government). We are living under a government that is constantly hammering out Christian values. And Christianity and sex have never been good friends."


Scribe Nicholas Meyer, who was an uncredited writer on 1987's seminal sex-fuelled cautionary tale "Fatal Attraction," agrees, noting that the genre's downfall coincides with the ascent of the conservative political movement.


"We're in a big puritanical mode," he said. "Now, it's like the McCarthy era, except it's not 'Are you a communist?' but 'Have you ever put sex in a movie?'"
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Note: I don't want a political debate here; just commenting on the whinyness of two guys I actually like quite a bit.
 
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Waaaa! It's not fair that the genre that my name is forever associated with is kaputt! waaaahh!

Gotta love the blame generation.​


Edit: Changed to more accurately reflect the thought I was trying to convey
 
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That is some funny stuff. I'll be the first to make the current administration into every kind of scapegoat I can. But this is just plain silly.

Verhoeven needs to take a nice hard look at the quality of product he's putting out. And never mind the fact that the Erotic Thriller genre is just plain played out. You could build Brangelina a new orphan keep with all the skin-emax fatal/basic/jade carbon copies.

Same thing happened to John Woo. His filmmaking style was so amazing that every wannabe with a camera,bad script, and two guns ripped off his style. So by the time he started doing hollywood movies we'd already seen a hundred copies of his special brand of art and violence to the point where it was almost campy and funny to see him doing it.

ok I'm done. Wait, what was my point? I don't know.
 
The Machinist said:
i thought verhoeven had nothing to do with the sequel.
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He doesn't. So it's not

Waaaa! It's not fair that my movie bombed! waaaahh!
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He has nothing to do with the sequel.

Not defending the movie (not even the original one, never been a fan), just saying...
 
xl70e3 said:
He doesn't. So it's not



He has nothing to do with the sequel.

Not defending the movie (not even the original one, never been a fan), just saying...
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No he didn't have anything to do with the sequel, but he sure seems to be trying to defend why its a flop. Or maybe he's just whining about the demise of the genre in general.

Either way, he's barking up the wrong tree.

Our rather rubbing up and down on the wrong tree. Cuz that's how you do it "Verhoeven Style" :evil:
 
CallaghanFilms said:
I changed my post above
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Yeah, more like that... He does seem obsessed with violence and sexuality in his movies, always has. Not that I blame him for it: RoboCop is effin great, love Total Recall and Starship Trooper and can even watch Showgirls and Hollow Man (though latter mostly for vfx... and Shue... what?).
 
Ultimately, the genre's current health in the marketplace has nothing to do with it. It's a bad movie. A bad story. A bad script. Whatever. And as soon as a good story/movie/script comes along, people say "the genre is alive again." It's just entertainment...or not. And in the case of Basic Instinct 2, apparently NOT. And I suppose it's encouraging in one respect (schadenfreude?), because when I miss the mark as an artist/creator, I have to realize I'm not alone--even dudes who have done some great work miss the mark too.
 
The team of Verhoeven and Jan De Bont, along with Sharon Stone being a fresh face at the time, made the original Basic Instinct the sucess that it was. Look past the sex and controversy, and its great old school telling cinema, and the soundtrack is Hermann-esque. It's sad Verhoeven forgot about all the complaints from the gay community gave it even more mainstream press, so now righties have destroyed part 2? Where are these picket lines at? How about little-to-no marketing? I didn't even know it coming out until just last week.

I still want to see the new one just for Sharon, who is a smoking milf at 48, but I know all the Hitchcock-inspired shots/cuts from the first one are going to be replaced with MTV/CGI crap that should only be saved for certain movie genres.

'Have you ever put sex in a movie?' has nothing to do with it. Sex being oversaturated in society as a whole in 2006, has killed whatever momentum this movie could've had. In 1992, seeing Sharon's cootch was a big deal, and there was not many had access to internet porn. Today, seeing any star naked is not that big of a deal anymore to equate money in the box office.
 
The movie just looks like crap, that's it... I'd be the first on to see an erotic thriller if I thought it might be somewhat entertaining.

P.S. don't let the wife hear that.
 
CallaghanFilms said:
crybaby.gif

Waaaa! It's not fair that the genre that my name is forever associated with is kaputt! waaaahh!

Gotta love the blame generation.​


Edit: Changed to more accurately reflect the thought I was trying to convey
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Really!! No one can take personal responsibility anymore. Everything is someone else's fault. It's especially fun to blame it on the government. Heaven forbid we man not be as creative as we might think... Give me a ****ing break.
 
sugahsean469 said:
I didn't even know it coming out until just last week.
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I saw a mention, somewhere. Didn't pay attention for the same reason I didn't pay attention to Wild Things 2.

If something sounds like a sequel, but the first offering came to a conclusion... Eeeeeeew. BORing.

I remember what you told me you did last summer...
 
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