Ok...I have to ask...Please help...
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BLUESPIDER
DVXuser Ninja
Re: Ok...I have to ask...Please help...
Phil, are you talking about both channels out your DVX? if you want both channels, you can get a y spliter XLR cable.
Phil, are you talking about both channels out your DVX? if you want both channels, you can get a y spliter XLR cable.
Phil
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Re: Ok...I have to ask...Please help...
Well, I might have something misconfigured in Vegas...but I recorded into channel one. With channel two (which was the on camera mic) muted...And when I upload, only one speaker has audio out...
For me to have left and right, do I need the xlr splitter into both channels?
Well, I might have something misconfigured in Vegas...but I recorded into channel one. With channel two (which was the on camera mic) muted...And when I upload, only one speaker has audio out...
For me to have left and right, do I need the xlr splitter into both channels?
MattC
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I don't have a DVX so I'm offering blind advice here, take it for what it's worth.
Did you record in mono or stereo (I know this sounds obtuse, but I don't know how the DVX records)? Is the track where you've placed the audio a stereo track or a mono track? Do you have the tracked panned right?
If indeed you have a mono track, you don't have to "double it" to get it to play from both speakers (although you can create some very interesting "wide" effects by doing so, along with some creative editing). You just have to pan the mono source to center and it will play equally from both speakers.
Check these things and get back to us.
Matt
I don't have a DVX so I'm offering blind advice here, take it for what it's worth.
Did you record in mono or stereo (I know this sounds obtuse, but I don't know how the DVX records)? Is the track where you've placed the audio a stereo track or a mono track? Do you have the tracked panned right?
If indeed you have a mono track, you don't have to "double it" to get it to play from both speakers (although you can create some very interesting "wide" effects by doing so, along with some creative editing). You just have to pan the mono source to center and it will play equally from both speakers.
Check these things and get back to us.
Matt
MattC
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Re: Ok...I have to ask...Please help...
[quote author=Phil link=board=audio;num=1101927051;start=0#5 date=12/01/04 at 13:49:17]yeah, it's a little more technical...[/quote]
What does that mean?
I have an XL2. But I'm addicted to this board, I can't help it. I think you guys have one of the best sites for low/no budget indie filmmaking I've ever seen.
It really isn't that complicated. Your audio track in your NLE is either mono or stereo. You can tell this by how many channels you see for the track, if you see one, it's mono, if you see two, it's stero. If it's stereo, you should be able to see two waveforms, one for the left channel and one for the right channel.
Now I can't help you set up the DVX for future recording (although it looks like shooter just did that), but to fix this is easy. If you have a mono track and your NLE doesn't let you pan it center to hear it from both speakers, just create a new stereo track and copy your mono waveform into both channels of the stereo track. If you have a stereo track but only one waveform, copy it into the empty channel.
Cheers.
Matt
[quote author=Phil link=board=audio;num=1101927051;start=0#5 date=12/01/04 at 13:49:17]yeah, it's a little more technical...[/quote]
What does that mean?
I have an XL2. But I'm addicted to this board, I can't help it. I think you guys have one of the best sites for low/no budget indie filmmaking I've ever seen.
It really isn't that complicated. Your audio track in your NLE is either mono or stereo. You can tell this by how many channels you see for the track, if you see one, it's mono, if you see two, it's stero. If it's stereo, you should be able to see two waveforms, one for the left channel and one for the right channel.
Now I can't help you set up the DVX for future recording (although it looks like shooter just did that), but to fix this is easy. If you have a mono track and your NLE doesn't let you pan it center to hear it from both speakers, just create a new stereo track and copy your mono waveform into both channels of the stereo track. If you have a stereo track but only one waveform, copy it into the empty channel.
Cheers.
Matt
Phil
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Re: Ok...I have to ask...Please help...
Thanks Shooter, that was just about it...I got it now...
MattC,
Oh Sorry man, Didn't mean it to come out like that...I'm glad DVXusers and XL2 users can come here and get along...er...rather...waste time and joke around! ;D
Thanks for your help guys!
Thanks Shooter, that was just about it...I got it now...
MattC,
Oh Sorry man, Didn't mean it to come out like that...I'm glad DVXusers and XL2 users can come here and get along...er...rather...waste time and joke around! ;D
Thanks for your help guys!
TC
Resident Agitator
Re: Ok...I have to ask...Please help...
[quote author=Phil link=board=audio;num=1101927051;start=0#8 date=12/01/04 at 14:58:26]I'm glad DVXusers and XL2 users can come here and get along...er...rather...waste time and joke around![/quote]
It's not just the DVX guys goofing off and not shooting films, it's all of us.
[quote author=Phil link=board=audio;num=1101927051;start=0#8 date=12/01/04 at 14:58:26]I'm glad DVXusers and XL2 users can come here and get along...er...rather...waste time and joke around![/quote]
It's not just the DVX guys goofing off and not shooting films, it's all of us.
BLUESPIDER
DVXuser Ninja
Re: Ok...I have to ask...Please help...
Yeah, I have the JVC VHS-C camera and they welcome me with open arms. Please wear deoderant.
Yeah, I have the JVC VHS-C camera and they welcome me with open arms. Please wear deoderant.
Phil
Veteran
Re: Ok...I have to ask...Please help...
Man, lately it's not about the deoderant...they're taking care of that...I just have to say...
PEOPLE...
PLEASE...
WEAR SOCKS...YOU MOTHER F"ers WHO DON'T WEAR SOCKS...YOUR FEET STINK...
...like cheese...
...or wet dog...
...sometimes...it smells like a pretzle covered with watermelon...or mustard mixed with milk...
...
ok...I'm done...
Man, lately it's not about the deoderant...they're taking care of that...I just have to say...
PEOPLE...
PLEASE...
WEAR SOCKS...YOU MOTHER F"ers WHO DON'T WEAR SOCKS...YOUR FEET STINK...
...like cheese...
...or wet dog...
...sometimes...it smells like a pretzle covered with watermelon...or mustard mixed with milk...
...
ok...I'm done...
Jim Brennan
VHS Member Old Skool
Re: Ok...I have to ask...Please help...
I've had some debates about this with my production partner, who does the editing. He swears we need to use y-jack the next time we shoot, because he's having such a hard time with the audio. He says it's just on one side. I told him, "of course, just copy it and paste it to the other track" He says it's way more complicated than that. My experience says it's that simple. When you are done with that, you can adjust the levels in each track if you need to for effect (People talking off camera and the like). I've done this. He uses FCP. What's your experience been?
I've had some debates about this with my production partner, who does the editing. He swears we need to use y-jack the next time we shoot, because he's having such a hard time with the audio. He says it's just on one side. I told him, "of course, just copy it and paste it to the other track" He says it's way more complicated than that. My experience says it's that simple. When you are done with that, you can adjust the levels in each track if you need to for effect (People talking off camera and the like). I've done this. He uses FCP. What's your experience been?
Phil
Veteran
Re: Ok...I have to ask...Please help...
In my experience, I was told by a sound guy I was working with, to get stereo it needs to be a little in the red on the audio meter...Which means that if you have one channel mic input, you'll have mono?
I think what I'm going to do is buy one of those adapters, I just talked with another filmmaker and he said that...
Or one of those XLR on camera mixers, You can fine tune your sound. The hard part is...To get good audio you need to control "on set recording" that is key...
If you don't want to buy the adapter, Shooter does have a good way too. if you see up above...That's how I had it set up before, our audio guy messed up our setting on camera...
In my experience, I was told by a sound guy I was working with, to get stereo it needs to be a little in the red on the audio meter...Which means that if you have one channel mic input, you'll have mono?
I think what I'm going to do is buy one of those adapters, I just talked with another filmmaker and he said that...
Or one of those XLR on camera mixers, You can fine tune your sound. The hard part is...To get good audio you need to control "on set recording" that is key...
If you don't want to buy the adapter, Shooter does have a good way too. if you see up above...That's how I had it set up before, our audio guy messed up our setting on camera...
MattC
Veteran
Re: Ok...I have to ask...Please help...
There is a big difference between a something recorded in stereo and a waveform copied to two channels. This is especially true with "wide sounds" like background. You can sometimes simulate stereo though if you had to by either using a stereo expander like a Waves pluggin or by applying a couple of combfilters and doing some funky phase adjustment so that your harmonics are different on each channel (ok that was hugely oversimplified, but you get the idea). All of that having been said, if your screwed and you need stereo and all you have is mono, what I suggested will save you, although both waveforms should really be tweaked quite a bit so that the average listener thinks its stereo.
Matt
There is a big difference between a something recorded in stereo and a waveform copied to two channels. This is especially true with "wide sounds" like background. You can sometimes simulate stereo though if you had to by either using a stereo expander like a Waves pluggin or by applying a couple of combfilters and doing some funky phase adjustment so that your harmonics are different on each channel (ok that was hugely oversimplified, but you get the idea). All of that having been said, if your screwed and you need stereo and all you have is mono, what I suggested will save you, although both waveforms should really be tweaked quite a bit so that the average listener thinks its stereo.
Matt
MattC
Veteran
Re: Ok...I have to ask...Please help...
Phil,
If by "red in the meter" you are referring to the decibel meter, he's wrong. The level at which something is recorded has no bearing on whether or not something is recorded in stereo. Also, simply splitting a signal off of one mic and piping it into two separate channels will not provide for a stereo recording, you will essentially be doing the fix that I described except you'll be doing it in production rather than in post.
Read this article: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997_articles/feb97/stereomiking.html
It does a great job of explaining what "stereo" is and how it is achieved in recording and in post.
Matt
EDIT: BTW, most stuff you listen to is NOT recorded in stereo, but rather is recorded mono and then placed (by panning) into a stereo field in post (mixing). For example, your boom man is more than likely carrying a monophonic mic. Perfect for dialog. In sound editing we would pan this sound dead center. You would hear it equally from both speakers and the sound would sound as if it were emanating from the middle of the screen (where you want dialog to be). But it's still a mono recording panned center. If a gunshot occurred off screen right, you would use a mono recording of a gunshot and pan it hard right so that it only came out of the right speaker (you might process it further which had some sound coming out of the left speaker, like an echo). Again, that is a mono recording PLACED in a stereo field. When you hear a recording of a band recorded in a studio, you are more than likely hearing a number of mono recording put together in a stereo field. When you hear a recording of the New York Philharmonic, you are listening to a recording, which was recorded in stereo.
Phil,
If by "red in the meter" you are referring to the decibel meter, he's wrong. The level at which something is recorded has no bearing on whether or not something is recorded in stereo. Also, simply splitting a signal off of one mic and piping it into two separate channels will not provide for a stereo recording, you will essentially be doing the fix that I described except you'll be doing it in production rather than in post.
Read this article: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997_articles/feb97/stereomiking.html
It does a great job of explaining what "stereo" is and how it is achieved in recording and in post.
Matt
EDIT: BTW, most stuff you listen to is NOT recorded in stereo, but rather is recorded mono and then placed (by panning) into a stereo field in post (mixing). For example, your boom man is more than likely carrying a monophonic mic. Perfect for dialog. In sound editing we would pan this sound dead center. You would hear it equally from both speakers and the sound would sound as if it were emanating from the middle of the screen (where you want dialog to be). But it's still a mono recording panned center. If a gunshot occurred off screen right, you would use a mono recording of a gunshot and pan it hard right so that it only came out of the right speaker (you might process it further which had some sound coming out of the left speaker, like an echo). Again, that is a mono recording PLACED in a stereo field. When you hear a recording of a band recorded in a studio, you are more than likely hearing a number of mono recording put together in a stereo field. When you hear a recording of the New York Philharmonic, you are listening to a recording, which was recorded in stereo.
Jim Brennan
VHS Member Old Skool
Re: Ok...I have to ask...Please help...
Does anybody record dialogue in stereo? That was what my earlier post referred to: dialogue. Adding a y-jack and using the same shotgun will just double the same audio track, no? It seems like a waste of time to me.
Does anybody record dialogue in stereo? That was what my earlier post referred to: dialogue. Adding a y-jack and using the same shotgun will just double the same audio track, no? It seems like a waste of time to me.
Phil
Veteran
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Matt, Oh very true about the difference, I think we've been trying to find a "fix it", if it's already too late...and then when talking about splitting we're trying to get audio to both channels, plus be able to have a second audio recording to choose from...
Matt, Oh very true about the difference, I think we've been trying to find a "fix it", if it's already too late...and then when talking about splitting we're trying to get audio to both channels, plus be able to have a second audio recording to choose from...
MattC
Veteran
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I answered in my edit instead of a new post, I'm sorry. No, you would record dialog in mono and pan it center. In fact, other than ambient sound and music, almost everything would be recorded mono (dialog, foley, sound FX, voiceovers) and placed in a stereo field.
Is this clear or did I just add confusion?
Matt
I answered in my edit instead of a new post, I'm sorry. No, you would record dialog in mono and pan it center. In fact, other than ambient sound and music, almost everything would be recorded mono (dialog, foley, sound FX, voiceovers) and placed in a stereo field.
Is this clear or did I just add confusion?
Matt