Oh Mona, what have you done?
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puredrifting
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I so thought that this was fake until the ending shot. It still could be if the final was done by hand and not nail gun and the build was composited. Pretty cool.
Dan
Dan
Fake and having the real nails would be the easiest way to do it.
Lock your camera down, as they did. Then in post cover the nailed up board with a clean one and remove your clean board mask revealing the already there nails underneath. Then pick the camera up at the end of the shot and walk up and look at the nails.
Often the easiest FX rout is to hide something rather than add it. IN Texas Fortune (1st Place Zombie Fest 2005) a zombie gets its throat slit on camera. The wound was practical and was covered up in post and the the cover was removed in sync with the knife moving across the throat.
But here the fact that the guy is not holding the camera during the "nailing" is hint that that's when they are doing the FX - revealing though not adding - then walking up to look at the nails that were there the whole time.
This is often done with bullet holes and knives and hatches sticking out of walls and trees etc.
Lock your camera down, as they did. Then in post cover the nailed up board with a clean one and remove your clean board mask revealing the already there nails underneath. Then pick the camera up at the end of the shot and walk up and look at the nails.
Often the easiest FX rout is to hide something rather than add it. IN Texas Fortune (1st Place Zombie Fest 2005) a zombie gets its throat slit on camera. The wound was practical and was covered up in post and the the cover was removed in sync with the knife moving across the throat.
But here the fact that the guy is not holding the camera during the "nailing" is hint that that's when they are doing the FX - revealing though not adding - then walking up to look at the nails that were there the whole time.
This is often done with bullet holes and knives and hatches sticking out of walls and trees etc.
Also the improv is bad. "Over there. Over there." Who says that when drawing something, as in "don't forget to draw her shoulder." "Over there." is for painting a wall a solid color as in "you're not getting all of it" It makes no sense when drawing something line by line which could be drawn in any order.
Edit: I guess he could be talking about not filling in an area completely that he's already been over, but still seems out of place to me.
Edit: I guess he could be talking about not filling in an area completely that he's already been over, but still seems out of place to me.
HorseFilms
Look ma no hands
Also, the dude isn't aiming at the spots where the nails are hitting most of the time.
OK so they're laying the nail image over a board that they're just randomly shooting nails into.
I guess they have to shoot nails for the nail gun to feed.
So they shoot into white board as the base layer, lay a clean board on top pf the base layer of random nails in post, then lay the reveal of the finished Mona on top of that in post?
So then that means while shooting they switch the board randomly filled with nails with the pre-made Mona lisa in the 2 seconds the camera is off the board?
It would explain why they take the camera off the board for 2 seconds when it seems like you'd want to keep it on the board the whole time to sell the reality. But that's a really fast switch.
So on set:
-- Get a plate of the finished Mona lisa with your camera in the preset position where it will be while firing.
-- shoot the guy firing nails into the board approximating the mona lisa as best he can
-- pick up the camera walk towards the board, take it off the board for 2 seconds so another one can drop down or someone can switch it.
In post:
-- grab a frame of the clean board before he started shooting - use that plate to cover the nails he actually shoots into it.
-- lay the plate of the finished Mona lisa on top, revealing it bit by bit
-- motion track the plated of the finished Mona lisa onto the board as you walk towards it, allowing it to track out of the shot
Seems much harder than just having it there on set and revealing it, but I guess you have to shoot real nails unless you have a nail gun rigged to eat nails but just roll them through the other side of the gun or something.
I guess they have to shoot nails for the nail gun to feed.
So they shoot into white board as the base layer, lay a clean board on top pf the base layer of random nails in post, then lay the reveal of the finished Mona on top of that in post?
So then that means while shooting they switch the board randomly filled with nails with the pre-made Mona lisa in the 2 seconds the camera is off the board?
It would explain why they take the camera off the board for 2 seconds when it seems like you'd want to keep it on the board the whole time to sell the reality. But that's a really fast switch.
So on set:
-- Get a plate of the finished Mona lisa with your camera in the preset position where it will be while firing.
-- shoot the guy firing nails into the board approximating the mona lisa as best he can
-- pick up the camera walk towards the board, take it off the board for 2 seconds so another one can drop down or someone can switch it.
In post:
-- grab a frame of the clean board before he started shooting - use that plate to cover the nails he actually shoots into it.
-- lay the plate of the finished Mona lisa on top, revealing it bit by bit
-- motion track the plated of the finished Mona lisa onto the board as you walk towards it, allowing it to track out of the shot
Seems much harder than just having it there on set and revealing it, but I guess you have to shoot real nails unless you have a nail gun rigged to eat nails but just roll them through the other side of the gun or something.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
Someone was bored, that's for sure.
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Pretty simple to do, except that they actually had to make the thing in nails to start with. Which is pretty impressive anyway.If the real one is behind the first one they could just pull it in a hurry. It's more realistic than just using a mask, if done right.
I approve. I don't know why people get upset on Youtube about videos like this.
I approve. I don't know why people get upset on Youtube about videos like this.
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Jon Starr
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I kept looking at the nails being fed into the nail gun, which just looks aweful. They didn't even try to make that look real.
I think the problem is you have two spectrums. Those who make clearly fiction videos. Then those who make 'real' videos. So people get upset when reality TV, documentaries, and trick youtube videos aren't real.
Obviously the whole point of this video wasn't for entertainment, but to make it appear to be real, which it failed at doing that.
I think the problem is you have two spectrums. Those who make clearly fiction videos. Then those who make 'real' videos. So people get upset when reality TV, documentaries, and trick youtube videos aren't real.
Obviously the whole point of this video wasn't for entertainment, but to make it appear to be real, which it failed at doing that.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
I always tell my kids, everything you see on that box (meaning the TV) is fake unless proven otherwise. Just assume it is. Fortunately my 15 year old daughter is REALLY good with Photoshop so I think she realizes this.
My son, 11, is a little more impressionable. He just asked me why Gordon Ramsey uses so many bad words on "The F-Word". How do you answer that one?
Dan
My son, 11, is a little more impressionable. He just asked me why Gordon Ramsey uses so many bad words on "The F-Word". How do you answer that one?
Dan