Noob Question- HVX capture in EDIUS

Deke

Deke

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OK. I'm new to both HVX and EDIUS, but got EDIUS based on recommendations of Barry, etc. I have tried unsuccessfullyfor the past couple hours to capture in EDIUS broadcast:

Can never seem to get an option to make CAPTURE work. In EDIUS...?


ON HVX:
Set 1394 Device
Clear thumbnails
Mode to PC-DUB
==> Blue screen: 1394 Disconnect, then CONNECT for 5 seconds, then always disconnect

ON EDIUS side:
Tried various settings:
CAPTURE
GENERIC OHCI Input == Input format DVCPRO HD 1080/59.94i, various 720,

also tried
Generic HDV input (don't think it's right, but I would try anything)

I also tried USB.

Windows XP, EDIUS Broadcast 4.10

I have tried to RTFM, and re-read the applicable parts of the skimpy EDIUS docs and Barry's excellent book, but no clue what's going wrong. Tried different cables, etc. Will confirm Firewire card next.

Any help would be greatly appreciated ! Thanks- David
 
David, Hi-

I don't think you need to set the camera to PC-Dub.
I usually just use P2Genie (great $32 problem solver for the PC) but I have also done it from the camera . . .
1. Hook up your camera as you have done via USB
2. Start Edius Broadcast, pick your flavor (of project) Edius really doesn't care what you shot it at -- in project setting choose Generic OHCI HD 24Hz for output device, then whichever is the appropriate (1080 v 720) output format for your project.
3. Click on the "briefcase" looking icon at the top of your bin (right side), then slide down and click on "P2 select."
If your computer is recognizing the camera you will either see your P2('s) listed in the column at the left or when you click on add folder . . .
When you click on the folder your clips will appear on the box to the right.
Select the clips (or ctrl + A for all of them), then "import to bin" button at the bottom right.
Direct import will leave them on the P2's and you will edit them there (not my best recommendation).
"Copy and Import" will copy the files to whatever you set up as a work folder in the "select" dialog box below. Probably your best bet.
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If you already copied them to your hard drive you would use essentially the same process except that you would locate your folders (on the drive) by using the "add folder" to browse to the correct location. You cold then either "direct import" and work on the original files or copy & import to a different location thereby preserving your original clips.

P.S. I hope this helps more than confuses . . . I think you will need to solve your connection issue first and all else should fall into place (check the manual to be sure). Good luck!
 
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If you are trying to "capture" footage that has been recorded already, just transfer it via USB. You don't need the NLE. Think of the camera as a HDD that the computer is going to copy files from.
Or, if you have a pcmcia slot in your computer, that is the best way to transfer footage.

If you are trying to do live capture-meaning record straight to your computer- then it looks like you are pretty much set up properly. Have firewire plugged in, then just turn the camera on like you normally would to record. You don't go into any special mode to record to a laptop.
In EDIUS, set up your OHCI generic capture to match the recording format you have your camera set in. Keep in mind though that you cannot capture pn modes. And, with EDIUS, there seems to be a bug that will prevent you from capturing 720, as well. But, if you want to do a live capture of 1080, or 480, or whatever, EDIUS should do it no problem.
 
Jason Ramsey said:
If you are trying to "capture" footage that has been recorded already, just transfer it via USB. You don't need the NLE. Think of the camera as a HDD that the computer is going to copy files from.
Or, if you have a pcmcia slot in your computer, that is the best way to transfer footage.

If you are trying to do live capture-meaning record straight to your computer- then it looks like you are pretty much set up properly. Have firewire plugged in, then just turn the camera on like you normally would to record. You don't go into any special mode to record to a laptop.
In EDIUS, set up your OHCI generic capture to match the recording format you have your camera set in. Keep in mind though that you cannot capture pn modes. And, with EDIUS, there seems to be a bug that will prevent you from capturing 720, as well. But, if you want to do a live capture of 1080, or 480, or whatever, EDIUS should do it no problem.
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Thanks guys-- I appreciate the quick responses..
Jason - when you say " turn on the camera like you normally would to record..." does that mean that the cam is on the REDLIT mode (CAM) and not the greenlit(middle) or the orangelit(bottom) modes? This would be the problem as I had thought the cam needed to be in the lowest orangelit mode for live capture. Does the firewire setup need to be defined in OTHER as DEVICE? Thanks for the help...
 
No. Just turn it on. I tried live capture in EDIUS a few weeks back. Just set it up properly in EDIUS (which it looks like you have).

In camera, just turn it on. The next step would be to press record on the camera, but in this case you just press capture in EDIUS :thumbsup:

You don't need to be in a "special" mode for live capture. Just turn it on. PC dub mode and all that is for transferring footage to external HDD's, etc. Not live capture.
 
Jason Ramsey said:
No. Just turn it on. I tried live capture in EDIUS a few weeks back. Just set it up properly in EDIUS (which it looks like you have).

In camera, just turn it on. The next step would be to press record on the camera, but in this case you just press capture in EDIUS :thumbsup:

You don't need to be in a "special" mode for live capture. Just turn it on. PC dub mode and all that is for transferring footage to external HDD's, etc. Not live capture.
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Thanks -- As usual, I frequently overthink or overengineer these things.
 
heh. EDIUS and HVX are a very good match. It's user interface is a bit quirky, etc. But, it handles p2 better than any NLE out there.

Good luck with it.
 
Jason Ramsey said:
heh. EDIUS and HVX are a very good match. It's user interface is a bit quirky, etc. But, it handles p2 better than any NLE out there.

Good luck with it.
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Agreed.

And if he really wants to "capture" (especially 720p) DVRack is king (for the PC).
 
Jason Ramsey said:
And, with EDIUS, there seems to be a bug that will prevent you from capturing 720, as well. But, if you want to do a live capture of 1080, or 480, or whatever, EDIUS should do it no problem.
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Is this "bug" for certain? I was having this same problem but thought it was because I was using the Edius Pro 4 trial version and not the broadcast version. I had intended to capture live and record direct to HDD in the field, bypassing the P2 card for my first couple of projects until I get the free one from Panasonic.
Fritz
 
This bug is for certain. 720 doesn't work. At least, definitely in NTSC land.

I've heard a couple of people say that saw it work in PAL land. It is a reported bug though. As far as I know, still unfixed. I don't think I have tried it since I updated to 4.13

Jason
 
JJb,

I have to agree with you on the above statement, I think Eduis 4 was a big step backwards.
 
I have a few questions. If the method of THoff is working, does it mean that the only problem between me and recording frame rates on my PC using Edius Broadcast via Firewire with the HVX is that the firewire cant record pn modes, in which is only possible recording the frame rates.
I have FS 100 and working on PC, no Mac option for the moment. How can I record variable frame rates with FS 100 or directly to my PC using Edius ?
 
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You can't send pn over a firewire stream. Firewire protocol doesn't support it.

The Firestore can 'emulate' pn modes by stripping out duplicate frames on the fly from one of the non-native recording modes. You have to have v3.0 of the Firestore to do that.

Other than that, you may be able to record 1080/24pa and set your frame rate to 60, for example, and send that over firewire. You still have to do the work in post to get the over/undercrank effects, but it *should* work.

Same with the Firestore. You can record in one of the non-native modes, and set your framerate to something other than the framerate you are recording in.

Jason
 
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