Hi everyone
I decided to start this thread after reading Draccan's thread
http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=32875
as it made several interesting points, not just about sound but about how sound questions are handled.
I think i understand very well Draccan's point, as when you buy a DVX you do this knowing that it is less good than some more expensive options.
But I think there is an all around agreement that the DVX represents an acceptable standard for independent filming (broadcast quality).
What i think Draccan was after is the equivalent for sound. A cheep yet acceptable sound kit to match the DVX.
I always think its funny when i read a thread someone asking about a mat-box for his DVX and than some "cinema-pro" tells him to buy a 2000 $ piece of "pro grade" equipment. What is to be remembered is that the main benefit of the DVX is the price tag as it doesn't do anything that wasn't possible before if you had the$$.
Independent filming is very different from a fully funded project and light years away from the Hollywood way of doing things, so although the "cinema-pro" may very well be right, i find it rarely to be much help to small scale projects. (small does not mean "student film" with bad sound)
What would be grate is, if one of you seasoned professionals, would compile a shopping lists laying out the main options that are out there (FOR DVX FILM MAKERS).
What we want to find here is some sort of basic kit that does everything the Hollywood one does but a little less good. As in camera terms there is the DVX rout and the XL2 rout and the appropriate accessories (M2, Matblox, Dan's FF). Remember this forum is called DVXUSER not HVX or FILMCAMUSER although those routes are grate in them self's.
I agree sound is not just something you throw some money at, (the same applies for other aspects of film making), but it is not a dark art beyond everyones grasp, and there is such a thing as acceptable quality.
(just look at European indy cinema of the 50's 60's and 70's done with very modest means)
This forum is an amazing resource and a wast pool of information and I wish I would have known about it earlier, as it surly would have saved me allot of useless and wrong purchases. But as I said it is really a pool, rather than organized critical information. Which means you have to sift through threads and threads of rambling by guys that don't have a life to find the important relevant info. There are some really smart and experienced guys here, but sometimes instead of being much help, they talk about the good old days in Hollywood and how things should really be done rather than how we can do them with our modest resources. I don't think anyone that bought a DVX ever intended on getting a 5000$ sound kit, a 3500$ follow focus and a 2000$ mat-box, 3000$ tripod...do i need to say more?
So my challenge is this:
Lets make a shopping list for the "complete" sound kit, intended to cover most regular shooting situations of a indy feature . Wired and wireless.
(no comments or opinions, no when and what, just a clean list)
In the following replies "it" can be debated and refined and when that is done we hopefully have a real resource for new users and people that do have a life, which they can use when planing there purchases. This would be a true asset for any new film maker and the whole community at large.
Afterwards the list could be posted as a sticky for future generations to come.
So who's is the man?
:thumbsup:
I decided to start this thread after reading Draccan's thread
http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=32875
as it made several interesting points, not just about sound but about how sound questions are handled.
I think i understand very well Draccan's point, as when you buy a DVX you do this knowing that it is less good than some more expensive options.
But I think there is an all around agreement that the DVX represents an acceptable standard for independent filming (broadcast quality).
What i think Draccan was after is the equivalent for sound. A cheep yet acceptable sound kit to match the DVX.
I always think its funny when i read a thread someone asking about a mat-box for his DVX and than some "cinema-pro" tells him to buy a 2000 $ piece of "pro grade" equipment. What is to be remembered is that the main benefit of the DVX is the price tag as it doesn't do anything that wasn't possible before if you had the$$.
Independent filming is very different from a fully funded project and light years away from the Hollywood way of doing things, so although the "cinema-pro" may very well be right, i find it rarely to be much help to small scale projects. (small does not mean "student film" with bad sound)
What would be grate is, if one of you seasoned professionals, would compile a shopping lists laying out the main options that are out there (FOR DVX FILM MAKERS).
What we want to find here is some sort of basic kit that does everything the Hollywood one does but a little less good. As in camera terms there is the DVX rout and the XL2 rout and the appropriate accessories (M2, Matblox, Dan's FF). Remember this forum is called DVXUSER not HVX or FILMCAMUSER although those routes are grate in them self's.
I agree sound is not just something you throw some money at, (the same applies for other aspects of film making), but it is not a dark art beyond everyones grasp, and there is such a thing as acceptable quality.
(just look at European indy cinema of the 50's 60's and 70's done with very modest means)
This forum is an amazing resource and a wast pool of information and I wish I would have known about it earlier, as it surly would have saved me allot of useless and wrong purchases. But as I said it is really a pool, rather than organized critical information. Which means you have to sift through threads and threads of rambling by guys that don't have a life to find the important relevant info. There are some really smart and experienced guys here, but sometimes instead of being much help, they talk about the good old days in Hollywood and how things should really be done rather than how we can do them with our modest resources. I don't think anyone that bought a DVX ever intended on getting a 5000$ sound kit, a 3500$ follow focus and a 2000$ mat-box, 3000$ tripod...do i need to say more?
So my challenge is this:
Lets make a shopping list for the "complete" sound kit, intended to cover most regular shooting situations of a indy feature . Wired and wireless.
(no comments or opinions, no when and what, just a clean list)
In the following replies "it" can be debated and refined and when that is done we hopefully have a real resource for new users and people that do have a life, which they can use when planing there purchases. This would be a true asset for any new film maker and the whole community at large.
Afterwards the list could be posted as a sticky for future generations to come.
So who's is the man?
:thumbsup:
