Night Shoot Round Up, and An Interesting Meeting

timapter

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Hey everyone.

Had a ROUGH night shoot last night. But recorded some really great stuff.

We were shooting with the Sony Z1, and I was using SD302, 416, 4073a, 4071a, Oktava, AT899 lavs, and Sony UWP Wireless.


It was an interesting shoot because I got to break the "hypers indoors" rule - the house we partially shot in was entirely carpeted! We were also primarily shooting in bedrooms, so LOADS of extra reverb absorbtion. Because the rooms were so dead, I managed to actually use my shotguns quite a bit! But wait, there was a reason.

The story (it was a short film about the toothfairy), had two characters - a super talented little girl (maybe 6 or 7 years old) and a guy in his 20's (playing the tooth fairy - strange story, but quite cool). The problem for me was that in some shots we had two way dialogue, but naturally his head was way higher than hers (sitting or standing).

So I used the Oktava on him, and a shotgun on her. The shotgun gave a bit of extra reach, and suprisingly I didnt have any matching problems (thank goodness, this tactic could Im sure fall apart on this).

I also deployed the AT899 lav as a plant mic quite a bit - a tactic that is definitely worth trying out. In fact, I used a LOT of plants. I had no boom op (besides the usual PA story), so I used two heavy duty mic stands to lock microphones into positions for the shots (luckily, there wasnt much movement in the story, dialogue delivery was VERY static)... At one point, the girl had to walk across a room in a wide shot, but using two shotguns I just set two plants, gave her a marker, and she kept to it. Very cool sound, and gave me an opportunity to actually MIX for a change.

As far as exteriors go, I was really happy with the AT4071a. Ive said it before, and Ill say it again (until I get a CS-3e), sometimes I think that the long shotgun is a seriously overlooked tool. I often find that my shotguns go by the wayside for a while because Im using either Oktava or long gun on some shoots. Of course, Im ignoring the difficulties the long guns can give (like booming accurately), but when Im booming myself (like I did), its no big deal.

I also ran backup wireless lavs for exterior scenes, but thats what they will stay as - backup. Didnt sound nearly as good as the long gun.

So, lessons learnt:

* Sometimes kid actors are better than professional actors. But not usually.
* Long shotguns kick ass.
* Carpeted rooms are something to aim for when scouting a location.
* Wireless internet on set rocks!
* Plant microphones can be effective. Very effective.
* Always bring some microphone stands.


The other thing was that today I met up with one of the location sound guys from Survivor USA. Really nice guy. It turns out that quite a percentage of the Survivor series is shot by South Africans.. He was telling me about the gear they use, and its very clever for its simplicity, and strength in those environments.

Wendt X2 (2 channel)
Senn MKH70 (long shotgun)
Single Lectro 211 to hop to camera on channel 1.
On camera mic (forgot to ask which) set to channel 2, on auto.

So they are pretty much just mixing one channel all the time. When they do interviews, he says he just changes from wireless link to a cable link to camera to avoid any issues.

So thats the rig of a sound guy for the reality stuff of survivor. Id kill to work on that one. 7 week shoot in paradise! (Although Im sure its bloody tough going sometimes).
 
i've carpetied the ceiling before on very reflective interiors. don't think the owners were very happy with staple holes, but, hey.. let the 1st or locations soak that up. :)

carpet, IMO is an essential part of a soundkit, solving many many issues. (mostly to silence those b@starding elephant-footed stubborn camera-monkeys) provided of course you don't have to carry it very far from the car ;)


did the guy from survivor say he used a wireless link as the main, with no separate recorder as backup?
 
hey scooby,

yup, no backup system whatsoever. thats why i posted that info, very interesting work flow that they clearly adopt.

i believe they have several of these 3 man teams (content director, cam op, sound op) to cover the action at the various camps so Im not sure if there are many instances of spoiled audio due to dropout - there is also the on cam mic as backup (Im willing to bet they are using MKH60's or 416's to cover dropout holes), and also the possibility of another cam team covering other angles. I dunno, it seems like they run a lot LESS gear than I would have thought.

Apparently they use lavs for challenge situations, but not for the "reality" content, I didnt really get to ask him too much about that stuff.

He's leaving on sunday to shoot the next series of survivor, and wont be back for 7 weeks, but Im hoping to talk to him more when he gets back...
 
I read awhile back that they use parabolic mics on that show and never use wireless lavs since they want to keep the feeling of people stranded on an island. Perhaps the wireless are plant mics?

I would love to see how they do post on the kind of garbage they must get.

Cheers
 
it didnt seem that way, he specifically mentioned lavs on players during some scenes.

he's been on the show for quite a few seasons, and he knows his stuff, so I doubt they would turn in garbage audio...

wabbit, im sure you know as well as i that if garbage comes from the set, then garbage gets broadcast, and i dont really think thats the case with survivor... well, i dunno, but what ive heard, the audio is fine.
 
A bunch of audio is so bad they need subtitling. 99% of reality shows wire up all the talent. From the article I read Survivor is the one reality show that does not. You will never see a mic on the "talent". Combine that with lots of wide outdoor shots with multiple cameramen around, no room for a boom, and you have yourself an audio quandry.

It is for that I call the location audio (most likely) filled with garbage, not the talent of the location guys.

You put enough handcuffs on anyone and the audio quality will be degraded. I could be wrong about the wireless but I swear I read that somewhere, maybe ramps. You certainly don't see any wireless and those people are next to nude most of the time.

I will try to find where I read that.

Cheers
 
apparently they have lost lectro's to idiots jumping in the sea with them on, so thats a reason why no wireless.

but, like i said, we didnt talk for very long.
 
There is a small thread on RAMPS about sound on Survivor. Nothing about the parabolic mic though. Really starting to bug me where I read that. I remember being very surprised when I read it.

Either way, cool to meet that guy.

I have seen the MM400 on a few reality shows, probably precisely because of talent thinking randomly jumping in a pool is a fun idea. Well, that and it is durable as hell.

Cheers
 
I started a thread over on Jeff Wexler's site about a show on Discovery called Deadliest Catch. Now, if you want to see terrible working conditions with good audio still being delivered, check out this show. As much as I would love to do a reality show, they couldn't pay me enough to go out on one of those fishing boats.

Phil
 
loads of plant and boundary mics, combined with on-cam and boom mics could cover it. If I was sound supervisor, i'd be stressed though!

some of the sound delivered on shows like big brother is lacking at best, and big brother have all the talent mic'd. survivor has much better audio from what I remember.. good on them.
 
yeah, i remember survivor being not too bad... but i do recall the subtitled shots wabbit mentioned, although i think they were "contestants whispering at night" sort of shots that got the subtitle treatment.

Ive just been offered a job on a reality show here in South Africa, and have also been asked to suggest the gear to use for the shoot (why me that gets asked this, I dont know, but its a great opportunity).

Ive started a new thread to see how you guys would handle this... Input would be SERIOUSLY appreciated, I dont want to screw this up.
 
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