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No doubt. It kills me as well to think of who we have aided and where it has come back to haunt us.

Im thinking FIND ANOTHER OIL SOURCE/ENERGY SOURCE and let the middle east dry up and turn to DUST (No disrespect to the people of the Middle East). Without OIL there are no Majic Kingdoms. (Notice how I spelled MAgic with a 'J'; I'm so clever)
 
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Folks around here are perty smart..
I wanted to say the religous aspect is from the persepective as muslims. I would propose for you to fathom for a moment and not be selfish and put yourself in their minds for a moment.
Arabs hate Israel and Jews period. They regard the united states and New York in particular as New Jerusalem.. What can you expect when Madelline Albright a professed jew is our Representation worldwide(past tense).
Not going anti semetic here not at all.. All im saying is as Americans we are dumbed down by our press.. Purposeful some may argue.. We were never told why the serbs invaded yugoslavia.. 95% of the population has no idea why the IRA (irish) blow up the Brits.. and they dont want to really educate you of why arabs hate americans..
If you watch some moreso indepth round table discussions etc.. you may find or see this information on TV but it is obscure.
They are pissed off simply because in 1948 I believe was the year.. The united nations was created. Their first order of business was to create israel by moving European Jews there.. They still are trying to populate Israel with fund raising programs you can even see here on TV.
So ok now the Arabs are pissed about basic biblical repatriotion and annexation of Israel and Jews.. They will fight now for a thousand more years to attempt to rectify..
There only weapon is terrorism or so called terrorism as to them they fight for freedom and liberation of Israel which arabs regard as holy as well.
Again when we talk about the truth it is sometimes misconstrued as anti semitism. I am not attempting to promote or condone that with my comments.. I just wanted to attempt to educate folks on what is in an arabs mind.. Or so I have studied.
So yes it is a religous war but moreso convoluted than my attempt to bring religious reasons into my last post.
 
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Seems odd that they would choose to put ISRAEL right smack dab in the middle of a place where they hate them (religiously speaking).
 
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wow.. you opened a can of worms there.. philisophically speaking. And I dont want to be marked a conspiracy theorist or (cabal) < keyword. I agree John.. But if they are them or an extension of then it would make sense.
 
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Well, I have always wondered why the real estate was there. makes no sense whatsoever.
 
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well if we think outside of the box they will cry and ***** and point fingers and call you names to assasinate your character.. They call it a racial issue when it isnt .. It is cultural, it is economical .. It is the movers and shakers.. It is the golden rule
 
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[quote author=Fred_Plowman link=board=Offtopic;num=1084468494;start=60#65 date=05/20/04 at 16:45:23]well if we think outside of the box they will cry and ***** and point fingers and call you names to assasinate your character.. They call it a racial issue when it isnt .. It is cultural, it is economical .. It is the movers and shakers.. It is the golden rule[/quote]

??? huh ???
 
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It is trouble.. And I didnt want to even go there.. but the truth hurts and that is why we are there.. plain and simple.. When they flew planes into the "World Trade Center" ( UN, world bank, New world order) They flew planes in their mind into the Headquarters for the new jeruselam, they attacked Kuhn, Schiff and Loeb, They attacked Goldman Sachs; not you and me as americans. Now its my war too. One I didnt want to fight.One I didnt want to become involved in. One I didnt want my fellow americans to fall for.We took sides in a religous war for financial and political reasons and we will have to fight it now for the rest of our existence as a country. If you dont believe me .. Ask an Arab what his reasoning and slant on the situation is.
 
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John I was referring to the war between arabs and jews.. However the alphabet box wants you to think it is our war.. They want you to think it is a different issue. And I guess it is now cause we chose to get involved.. Thats what I meant
 
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[quote author=John Hudson link=board=Offtopic;num=1084468494;start=60#64 date=05/20/04 at 16:42:09]Well, I have always wondered why the real estate was there.  makes no sense whatsoever.[/quote]

You can't possibly understand it, if you try to view it in modern-day terms.  You've got to view it from the perspective of thousands of years of cultural history.  In Israeli culture, that spot of land is the "Holy land", promised to them by God Himself.  Jerusalem is a holy city to at least three of the world's major religions.  And (I may be getting a bit off here) the tribe and nations of Israel occupied that land before being wiped out and carried off into captivity.

So when the UN designated land for the restoration of the nation of Israel, that was where it needed to be -- that was the land that God had claimed for the Israeli's (speaking from an Israeli perspective).

Us newfangled Americans don't have much of the concept of "birthright", but as far as the Jewish people go, as near as I can tell, that land is their birthright, and it is an inherent portion of their identity.

So now, contrast that with the Arabs.  Why do the Israeli's and the Arabs hate each other so much?  You can trace that back to two brothers, Esau and Jacob, sons of Isaac, son of Abraham (as in, the Three Patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob).  In the Bible, Esau was the firstborn, and Jacob was his younger brother.  Esau was kind of ... well, not sharp-witted, I guess you'd say.  Jacob was razor-sharp.  Esau was hairy, Jacob was not.

Esau got hungry out in the field, and Jacob said "Here, I'll sell you this mess of pottage in exchange for your birthright."  Esau thought about it and apparently thought to himself "that's some mighty tempting pottage", so he sold his birthright.  So when it came time for Isaac to die and pronounce his blessings onto his sons, Jacob (with the help of his mother) tricked Isaac -- he put goat fur (or something, I don't recall) on his face and hands, so blind old Isaac would feel all that hair and wouldn't know he wasn't Esau.  And Isaac pronounced great blessings on Jacob (thinking it was his firstborn, Esau).  And Esau was ticked off.

Later, Jacob's name was changed...

... to "Israel".

Esau and his descendants (collectively, the Arab nations) feel that Jacob stole their birthright.  Jacob feels that Esau sold it to him.

And they've been at each others' throats for thousands of years, ever since.

They will fight over that land, and over that birthright, until one of their cultures no longer values it.  Any bets on when that might happen?
 
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For fun (and accuracy-checking) I looked up the original story in Genesis.  Seems Esau and Jacob were actually twins, and they fought so much in the womb that their mother had to ask God what in the world was wrong with them.  When they were born, Esau was born first, but Jacob came out literally holding on to Esau's heel.

So this battle started before they were born, and will probably go on for quite a while longer.
 
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Tks Barry. That is exactly the kind of 'chat' I like; well thought out and backed with facts (historical anyway). For the record, I was familiar with the HOLY LAND part.

I watched a DISCOVERY special where they came to the conclusion that the PALESTINES were the first to populate that land. I dont know enough about it to counter any side of the debate but I thought it was interesting enough to note.

You know what sucks? It comes down to "Can't we all just chill?"

Naw. Too simple I guess. Im still not buying FREDS last takes though! :D
 
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This war is NOT a Muslim vs Christian conflict... it is a radical Muslim vs all other Non-Muslims struggle.

The roots of the *modern* character of this struggle arose from 1924, when Kamal Ataturk (spelling! :P ) dissolved the Caliphate and dragged Turkey into the modern world. The Muslim Brotherhood was formed in 1928 to counter the modernization movement forming in the Muslim world, and the Brotherhood continues to employ terrorist methods to fight all influences which do not further the desire of their membership to spread Islam all over the globe. The homicidal maniacs who are the most strident voices in the Muslim world want nothing less than to drag us all back to the glory days of 8th century Islamic empire.

That is really what is happening here; we are not warring to seize the oil fields of Iraq, but rather to stomp out radical Islam. Saudi Arabia, Iran, and other hot spots are all going to have to be dealt with eventually, because the nut cases who fester in those places simply will not give up until they own the Earth. So this conflict in Iraq, tragic as it is, is only the first step in a generation-long campaign. I think (and this is only my opinion) that Bush and Company chose to go after Saddam because they thought he was weak enough to beat relatively quickly, and we had plenty of compelling reasons to do so. Strategically, Iraq is a fabulous place to conduct operations from if you want to dominate the rest of the Middle East.

Because the brutal truth is that the civilized world will have to impose order by force in the Middle East. There really is no other way to get control of a horde of hate-filled religious fanatics.

The coalition has made terrible mistakes in their conduct of this war. We've been too nice, and worried too much about being liked, rather than respected. This war is for Keepsies, and we aren't nearly concerned enough about the steady loss of marbles...
 
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"The coalition has made terrible mistakes in their conduct of this war. We've been too nice, and worried too much about being liked, rather than respected."

Interesting point. We have been all too worried about being 'nice' about it when in reality we should shock and awe the hell out of them.
 
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Id drop 1000 swine like bombs on their village.. And drop millions of leaflets with gay sex..lol
What else freaks them out??
The islamo fascists that is ;)
 
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That would freak them out; hell, that'd freak me out. It's be like the movie MAGNOLIA except not really.
 
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Its called Psyops.. I was listening to Michael Savage last night and he was talking about how in WW2 we had the propoganda.. Many of us are familiar with this. The propoganda posters would show our enemy Japanese or Germans in a not so good light whereas they would accentuate features etc. To wage a propoganda war delivering a message that would gain sympathy to those on our side.. I have studied propoganda somewhat..
One must have a different message for the different segments of population.. They have one message for sympathizers, one for those who are ont he fence, one for the enemy.. I think we should throw out the political correctness and use this very valuable tool to win this war.. The Pinko journalist will not let it happen with their politically correct hurt no ones feeling not even our enemy that puts a bomb in our mothers house.. Im stopping here cause my mind is wandering all over the map with anger...
 
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