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I just love it when 'guests' jump on here and give their anonymous opinion.

I sometimes wonder if its not a regular member trying to make it appear as though there are others who share their view.

Regardless... yes, Capitalism ROCKS!!!
 
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This dude went to Iraq on his own accord looking for work. Pardon my insensitivity but, MORON! Did he not see the war on the news? No sympathy here. His dad blames Bush? Proves my theory that stupidity is genetic.

To those soldiers that lose their life over there fighting in the name of our country...utmost reverence and respect.

The video looks faked. I have no doubt that the body is real and the death just as severe, but the video is cleverly shot and edited like a low budget Romero flick. Just because they aren't using a DVX or editing on Vegas doesn't mean that they aren't smart.

War and death are a part of humanity...has been forever...won't ever change. The other thing that won't change is how religion, your parents, your friends, and the media will sculpt your opinion for you. Bush this, Kerry that...does anyone know whats really going through their heads? No...so do your opinions on their politics carry any weight? No.

Thank god we haven't always been this weak. We would still belong to England.
 
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[quote author=ExFilms link=board=Offtopic;num=1084468494;start=15#23 date=05/16/04 at 02:52:38]
This dude went to Iraq on his own accord looking for work.  Pardon my insensitivity but, MORON!  Did he not see the war on the news?  No sympathy here.  His dad blames Bush?  Proves my theory that stupidity is genetic.
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While I feel bad for his family, I do agree with you. I don't see how you can blame Bush for his death. They claim the murder was in retaliation for the prison scandal, however I don't recall any prison scandal when they murdered Daniel Pearl. They are just looking for excuses for these horrible murders.
 
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I wanted to start a new thread but I don't like talking about political and current events...BUT

Did any of you catch the short film that was on HBO or Showtime, where it shows a guy and a girl getting interrogated about terrorism? The girl was Maggie Gyllenhaal, Jake's "Donnie Darko" sister. It was shocking to say the least...
Anyone see it? It was on at like 1:40 to 1:50 in the morning EST.
 
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Bill has some interesting points.. One mans Terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.. But Im on the other team so Im rooting for the new world order??? wow.. never thought I would condone such a thing.. Funny thing is I wasnt going to vote at all.. But now Im voting just so Kerry doesnt become president.. This Iraq deal solidified my resolve. It is very important that we stay strong militarily and Kerry doesnt have that capacity..
 
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I have to concur with Exfilms. Anyone over there currently THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE is playing with fire. Journalists, Red Cross, Contractors...

What the **** are you thinking going over there? IRAQI civilians that are being swept up in this turmoil should also know not to hang around. Put this way, if for months and months I know a foriegn army is coming to bomb and oust the government IM MOVING. Im not sitting around with my wife and 4 year old in our house waiting for a bomb to drop, nor am I sitting aorund as insurgents and the army wage war outside next to my favorite taco shop.

If Im not involved in the fight and am IN THE MIDDLE; I'm audi.

I too have the utmost respect for our soldiers, and as stated before IT IS THEM I SUPPORT. They dont want to be there; but should also know that when you join up in the Armed Services your ass belongs to the government.

As for the video; yeah, thats disturbing. I mean shoot my ass or if you are going to be-head me get a sword or something. Damn. I feel his parents pain but you cannot blame Bush.
 
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Fred,

Why do you think Kerry can't run the military?

Kerry has served his country in war and been awarded the Purple Heart. (People can quibble on the number and if the last one was worthy or not, but hey they guy has three, so even if you lose one that that's two times he was wounded for his country.) Bush did his time in the National Guard, never saw enemy fire and kind of disappeared before his tour was up. (Some say he was dodging drug tests, but who really knows.) Kerry has spent years on the Senate Armed Services Committee. Bush never had that kind of experience coming into the Oval Office. On the surface, it looks like Kerry has a edge over Bush the candidare of 2000.

If you're basing your opinion on the misleading Bush ad, then your need to re-read my previous message to Kai in this thread.

If anything, I think Bush is creating a weaker military. He's spread our forces out too far.
- He's pulled troops out of Afganistan and away from the hunt for Osama.
- Bush took 700 million away from the Afganistan war to start planning the war in Iraq without consulting Congress. That's borderline illegal.
- Fresh from the presses, Bush is pulling 3500 troops out of South Korea to go to Iraq. Don't forget, we know North Korea has WMDs in the form of nukes and they're crazier than bedbugs.
- Troops were promised only one year of "boots on the ground" in Iraq and that promise has been broken. You can say it's wartime, but this just goes to show Bush and Co. don't know what they're doing. Troops are not going to re-up for service. Recruitment is dropping.
- Oh, here's a good one, Bush has moved to cut the combat bonus from $250/month to $125/month. Yeah, that's going make the guys serving out country happy. That's really paying them back for they're blood, sweat and tears.

So do really think Bush is good for the military? He lied to them about WMDs and links to 9/11 to get them into Iraq. I think I'd feel used.

Am I mega Kerry fan? No, but Bush is ruining this country and I'd almost be willing to vote for trained monkey than see him spend 4 more years sinking the US into a deep whole.

And don't ask me about his domestic policy.

Scott
 
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That was a well put take. Solid. (Im not being sarcastic) I like when someone does their homework and lays out the facts with out predujice. When I heard they were pulling troops out of Korea to send to IRAQ I was like WTF?

The thing for me with Bush (and I hate to dumb this down) is that I never looked at him and thought "There's a leader I'd follow..." You know what I mean?
 
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[quote author=Scott_Spears link=board=Offtopic;num=1084468494;start=15#28 date=05/17/04 at 22:55:29]So do really think Bush is good for the military?  He lied to them about WMDs[/quote]

What about the Sarin and Mustard that just surfaced today? Everyone knew Saddam had WMD... he used them years ago. The issue was where they were now... and obviously they're still out there...

They probably are buried in the desert or in Syria right now, being brought back in one by one on a camel.
 
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[quote author=Kai link=board=Offtopic;num=1084468494;start=30#30 date=05/18/04 at 00:30:02]
They probably are buried in the desert or in Syria right now, being brought back in one by one on a camel.[/quote]

Wasn't there going to be an attack in Jordan with three car bombs that had chemicals in them, but they were stopped at a check point. I am pretty sure I remember reading that the chemicals were traced back to Syria and they were trying to make connections to Iraq with them. I don't really know where that lead to as I haven't heard about lately.
 
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Kai & Tyler,


The single shell with Sarin gas is just that. A single shell. I heard General Kimmet say that most likely the Iraqi's who used that shell didn't even know what they had. David Kay, UN Weapons Inspector, said that it was most likely a shell that was overlooked. I don't think this makes a good case for WMDs. I don't hear anybody, even Rumsfeld who didn't want comment, saying anything like that.



Tyler,

" Wasn't there going to be an attack in Jordan with three car bombs that had chemicals in them, but they were stopped at a check point. I am pretty sure I remember reading that the chemicals were traced back to Syria and they were trying to make connections to Iraq with them. I don't really know where that lead to as I haven't heard about lately."

The chemicals were things like acids and they like, not biological or chemical weapons you'd associate with WMDs. There is a link to Iraq, but most people in the intell community say they were trained after the US invaded Iraq. Hmmm, does that mean we're safer after Saddam is gone? I don't think so.

Scott
 
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Im not a gambling man, but I would guarantee Saddam has/had WMD. No mistake on that one. I recently finished a book titled THE THREATENING STORM - The Case for War against Saddam Hussien and he's bad people. You'd be a fool to think he did not have WMD and would continue to pursue even higher levels of WMD.
 
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Iraq never declared that it had a shell of that type (a 155mm binary) . . . aside from showing definitively (for the 150th time, about) that Iraq was not in compliance with UN resolutions, it raises a whole host of other issues about its programs.

The Iraqis who used it may not have known what they had, but they do know where they got it, and now they DO know what it is, after all the news coverage. More will appear.
 
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Scott,

According to what I read the weapons they had in their cars where capable of killing 80,000 people. That sounds more powerful than your run of the mill acids as you claim.
 
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From Newsmax.com:

In early April, Jordanian authorities foiled an al-Qaida plot to kill 80,000 people in a chemical weapons attack in Amman.

According to one of the conspirators, whose confession was broadcast on Jordanian TV, al-Qaida WMD specialist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who reportedly was last seen in a chilling video beheading Nick Berg, trained and outfitted the WMD attackers in pre-war Iraq.

Like notorious terrorists Abu Nidal and Abu Abbas, Zarqawi enjoyed sanctuary in Baghdad, courtesy of Saddam.

Jordanian TV coverage of the Zarqawi plot included video footage of hundreds of gallon jugs containing chemical weapons that had been intercepted 75 miles from the Syriian border, where much of Saddam's pre-war WMD stockpile is believed to have been hidden.

The Zarqawi revelation comes on the heels of the April 26 explosion at a suspected chemical weapons factory in Baghdad, just as a U.S. weapons team arrived to inspect its contents.

Disguised as a "perfume factory," the facility was booby-trapped, investigators believe, to destroy evidence of whatever was inside.

We won't be surprised if, in the coming weeks, more sarin-laden shells are uncovered in Iraq. But in the meantime, the media focus on the Abu Ghraib prison scandal has obscured that fact that the WMD case against Saddam is already compelling and continues to grow.
 
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Newsmax is a very biased towards the right, however I originally saw this on Fox and read about it on msnbc.com. I am looking for that article right now, but having trouble finding it.
 
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I should point out that while they are much more conservative, they still are a very credible news site. Many of there stories are on Fox and MsNBC. In fact, I believe Newsmax is the 4th largest news site on the internet.
 
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Yeah, I caught that:

...media focus on the Abu Ghraib prison scandal has obscured that fact that the WMD case against Saddam is already compelling and continues to grow.
 
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