Newbie question. Windows CS5 and prores? Atomos Ninja files?

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derbrocks09

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Can I edit prores from a Atomos Ninja in CS5 on windows? What are the limitations of the workflow.

Also I'm using Vegas now and considering switching to CS5. Would Vegas be better for prores?

Thanks in advance for the help.
 
Yes, prores files will drop right into premiere. (assuming you have the latest version of quicktime installed on your computer)

If anything I have a feeling vegas would be worse for prores. I've edited prores sequences in cs5, playback and editing is smooth.

When you go to create a timeline, create a template making the editing mode "desktop" and change the resolution and framerate and everything to match your footage
 
Fohdeesha said:
Yes, prores files will drop right into premiere. (assuming you have the latest version of quicktime installed on your computer)

If anything I have a feeling vegas would be worse for prores. I've edited prores sequences in cs5, playback and editing is smooth.

When you go to create a timeline, create a template making the editing mode "desktop" and change the resolution and framerate and everything to match your footage
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Can't you simply drop a clip into a new sequence and it matches the footage or "create sequence based on settings" of the clip?
Also, is there any advantage or loss in transcoding AVCCAM footage from the AF100 to ProRes? I think is's supposed to edit easier, but isn't there a quality hit? That's the whole reason I upgraded to CS5 was to be able to edit AVCCAM "natively". Supposedly CS5 will also go directly to Encore without any "pre" transcoding. It is tough on the system though.
 
Multi-Media said:
Can't you simply drop a clip into a new sequence and it matches the footage or "create sequence based on settings" of the clip?
Also, is there any advantage or loss in transcoding AVCCAM footage from the AF100 to ProRes? I think is's supposed to edit easier, but isn't there a quality hit? That's the whole reason I upgraded to CS5 was to be able to edit AVCCAM "natively". Supposedly CS5 will also go directly to Encore without any "pre" transcoding. It is tough on the system though.
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For AVCCAM you can yes. I havent tried ProRes on windows.
If you need to transcode to ProRes depends on your workflow and hardware. For you it might be all good with the AVCCAM-files, but another they maybe want to have a certain way of archive/edit/grade their files depending on i.e. collaboration. You don't loose any significant (none maybe) quality in the transcode, to ProRes. Many work that way because then they have one format for everything and that often helps a lot in all kinds of workflows, and it's a little easier to edit since it's a lower compression.
 
having some issues with this.... AKA: TOTALLY HOSED!

having some issues with this.... AKA: TOTALLY HOSED!

derbrocks09 said:
Can I edit prores from a Atomos Ninja in CS5 on windows? What are the limitations of the workflow.

Also I'm using Vegas now and considering switching to CS5. Would Vegas be better for prores?

Thanks in advance for the help.
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Did you get this to work? I am trying to edit a ProRes QT file that came directly off the Ninja in Premiere CS5.0.3 and I keep getting this error: "Unsupported format or damaged file" when I try to import it. The file plays back fine in Quicktime (latest version for Windows 7.6.9) but I can't seem to get it into Premiere to cut it up. Anyone have any luck with this?

Ninja Firmware 1.04
Premiere CS5.0.3
Windows 7 x64
Quicktime Pro 7.6.9

thanks for any help.
 
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I got the same import problem using the Ninja out of the box - I probably should have read the manual first...

The Problem:
My Ninja was set to record 2 channels of HDMI audio and 2 channels of analogue input audio (mini jack) and for some reason Premiere Pro CS5 and CS5.5 is having problems with the ProRes files that have four channels of audio.

The Solution:
Turn off the two channels of analogue audio (that weren't being used anyways) and the ProRes MOV files import directly into Premiere Pro CS5 and CS5.5.

Atomos confirmed with me that the four channel problem is known my Adobe and a solution is in the works but for now Premiere users are limited to two channels of audio.
 
ShawnLam said:
I got the same import problem using the Ninja out of the box - I probably should have read the manual first...

The Problem:
My Ninja was set to record 2 channels of HDMI audio and 2 channels of analogue input audio (mini jack) and for some reason Premiere Pro CS5 and CS5.5 is having problems with the ProRes files that have four channels of audio.

The Solution:
Turn off the two channels of analogue audio (that weren't being used anyways) and the ProRes MOV files import directly into Premiere Pro CS5 and CS5.5.

Atomos confirmed with me that the four channel problem is known my Adobe and a solution is in the works but for now Premiere users are limited to two channels of audio.
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Two channels of audio is fine, four is a problem for now - but we are working with Adobe on this and all will be working soon.

Dave Shapton
Atomos
 
derbrocks09 said:
Can I edit prores from a Atomos Ninja in CS5 on windows? What are the limitations of the workflow.

Also I'm using Vegas now and considering switching to CS5. Would Vegas be better for prores?

Thanks in advance for the help.
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I've just been editing Ninja files in Vegas 10, and everything was pretty smooth and effortless. I was able to play multiple layers, do transitions, DVEs and add titles all in real-time. This was on a new boot-camped iMac i5 system with 4GB Ram.

Dave Shapton
President
Atomos
 
Hello, I was looking forward to buy a Samurai for recording my Sony F3 Footage on it.

Just for the record again:

I am able to edit Prores 422 from a Samurai on my Premiere CS5 Machine flawlessly, is that correct?

Regards,
Maze
 
New member Paul making my first post reagarding using Vegas Pro 10 to import and edit the Ninja ProRes. I thanks Dave Shapton for his input and would like to know if anyone can psot say to vimeo examples of their editing in Vegas 10 and using the Ninja to capture video from HDMI on Sony AVCHD camera. Also if you have the time Dave could you add for information about how it works in Vegas and if it works on a PC that is running only windows and not like your set up using a apple iMac running Boot Camp. Thanks Paul
 
Hi Paul

The Ninja's ProRes does work fine in Vegas 10 on any PC, as long as you have Quicktime for Windows installed. We've had this confirmed by Sony's Michael Bryant and by a UK independent Vegas expert, Cheema Zulqar.

Hope this helps.

Dave Shapton
Atomos
 
same issue. Is there a way to convert prores 422 4 audio CH to -> prores 422 2 audio CH? -

windows 7 64 bit
Premiere CS5
Quick time Pro 7+
 
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Same issue w/4-channel audio not importing to Premiere or After Effects CS5.5 on Mac OSX (10.6.8). We have hours of footage to edit - is there a way to automate or batch-process ProResHQ with 4-channel audio to strip out Chs 3 & 4?
 
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