New Sony FS7

morgan_moore said:
Can the V power any accessories, EVF.. or 7q?
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Yes, there is an accessory power output just like on the F5/F55. The EVF is directly powered by the camera, but it can be used to power the Odysset7Q. The camera's front hotshoe mount is wired to power and pass the signal through for a Sony wireless mike receiver, similar to what's available on the A7s.
 
Mitch Gross said:
The FS7 is reportedly about $8K w/out the 28-135 zoom, or about $10K with it. The accessory back is another $2K or a bit and there is a $500 rod base that can also function as a studio riser and a VCT-14 adapter. The accessory back is necessary to connect the Odyssey7Q for FS RAW capture.

Odyssey7Q capture from FS7 includes:
- 4K RAW 1-60p (no 120p burst mode available)
- 2K RAW up to 240p
- 4K24K 4K RAW to 4K ProRes 422 HQ
- 4K2HD 4K RAW to HD ProRes 422 HQ

We will have to see Sony's implementation of HD ProRes 422 HQ & 422 to compare it to Odyssey's.

Anyone who owns an Odyssey7Q with FS700 record option now also owns the record option for the FS7. This record option covers the RAW outputs of both cameras.
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If this is true (no 4K 120fps cache) then I will most likely not buy the FS7.

Just sold the FS700R to get ready for the new "upgrade". :(

Sure the FS7 might have SLOG3, XAVC, 4K internal, better ergonomics... But hello?? No 4K slowmotion is a BUMMER !!

Might have to buy a new/used FS700 in november if these technical limitations turns out to be true when camera is released.
 
There is no image buffer in the FS7. Therefore there is no capability for 4K 120p burst mode. This is the one feature that FS700 has over FS7.
 
Sttratos said:
The FS7 is not bigger than the F5. It's smaller.
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Ummm.... maybe...

The F5 specs are here: http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/product/b...-motion-picture-camera/pmw-f5/specifications/
And FS7: http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/product/broadcast-products-camcorders-xdcam/pxw-fs7/specifications/

According to them, the F5 is 130 x 125 x 191 mm (without protrusions). The FS7 is 156 x 239 x 247 mm (body without protrusions). That's a lot bigger!

However it does seem Sony have been over-stating the size of the FS7. According to these slides: http://provideocoalition.com/awilt/story/122-slides-on-the-sony-pxc-fs7/P5

a more realistic size for the body without the top handle would be 135 x 140 x 197. That's still bigger than the F5, though.

Of course the F5 needs its battery brick added on, whereas the FS7's is internal, so that probably swings it the other way.
 
arcticlight said:
If this is true (no 4K 120fps cache) then I will most likely not buy the FS7.

Just sold the FS700R to get ready for the new "upgrade". :(

Sure the FS7 might have SLOG3, XAVC, 4K internal, better ergonomics... But hello?? No 4K slowmotion is a BUMMER !!

Might have to buy a new/used FS700 in november if these technical limitations turns out to be true when camera is released.
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You sold your camera based on 1 poorly lit video and a history of Sony over promising on paper and under delivering in production? My God man.
 
arcticlight said:
If this is true (no 4K 120fps cache) then I will most likely not buy the FS7.

Just sold the FS700R to get ready for the new "upgrade". :(

Sure the FS7 might have SLOG3, XAVC, 4K internal, better ergonomics... But hello?? No 4K slowmotion is a BUMMER !!

Might have to buy a new/used FS700 in november if these technical limitations turns out to be true when camera is released.
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The actual specs of the camera were released on Friday, Sept. 12th. Anything before that was conjecture, rumors and guesswork. You posted the following Monday (15th) that you sold your FS700 for the "upgrade."
When exactly did you sell it? And why? If you sold it on or after Friday, you knew the actual specs of the FS7. If you sold it before, you had no concrete data and sold it based on hearsay and rumors. It's your camera and all (or was), but personally I'd need more definitive data before I upgraded to a new system.
Interesting post, for your first on this forum.
 
evilthought said:
What was underdelivered? There was never any promise of 120 fps 4K 4 sec buffer.
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Primarily referencing Sony's history of product releases in general. Its common knowledge that they are "very optimistic" when it comes to specs...then when released...they find new quarks that the end users work with. Of course I acknowledge that every camera company is like this...Sony just has a bit of a reputation for it...I'm sure most can agree. That said, I am not a Sony hater at all. I really love the image of their higher end cameras.

Example: A7s....looks like the best camera in the world a few weeks before release. Amazing on paper.

In the users hands...very present rolling shutter....functions best in aps-c mode (though it was stated to be intended for the end user as a full frame 4K camera), has the black highlight issue, color burn issue, color science is very tricky out of the gate (by far not close to Canon), changing the S-Log base ISO from 1600 to 3200 just before product launch, and the very debatable dynamic range and ability to get close to what they advertise....ect...the list goes on.

Don't get me wrong...I am looking at the F7 with a lot of interest. So far...I'm jumping on it eventually...or until I have a reason not too.

My only point here is that, all camera companies do this at some level. Sony has a slight reputation to do consistently. So exercising caution and not jumping ship on your current system the moment a spec or hint of a new product line comes out is probably in most peoples best interest.

Its always smart to buy gear in a calculated way as opposed to a spec sheet from the company without real field work.

For example: I jumped on RED the hour the Scarlet was available in late 2011. I was also disappointed in its low light capability after the fact. Same idea.

I just question what the trade offs will be this time as I have never seen a camera release that has been exactly as the company portrays it upon release and I would not advise on selling off a rig based on a pre-released product line.
 
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ReelWorksMedia said:
Primarily referencing Sony's history of product releases in general. Its common knowledge that they are "very optimistic" when it comes to specs...then when released...they find new quarks that the end users work with. Of course I acknowledge that every camera company is like this...Sony just has a bit of a reputation for it...I'm sure most can agree. That said, I am not a Sony hater at all. I really love the image of their higher end cameras.

Example: A7s....looks like the best camera in the world a few weeks before release. Amazing on paper.

In the users hands...very present rolling shutter....functions best in aps-c mode (though it was stated to be intended for the end user as a full frame 4K camera), has the black highlight issue, color burn issue, color science is very tricky out of the gate (by far not close to Canon), changing the S-Log base ISO from 1600 to 3200 just before product launch, and the very debatable dynamic range and ability to get close to what they advertise....ect...the list goes on.

Don't get me wrong...I am looking at the F7 with a lot of interest. So far...I'm jumping on it eventually...or until I have a reason not too.

My only point here is that, all camera companies do this at some level. Sony has a slight reputation to do consistently. So exercising caution and not jumping ship on your current system the moment a spec or hint of a new product line comes out is probably in most peoples best interest.

Its always smart to buy gear in a calculated way as opposed to a spec sheet from the company without real field work.

For example: I jumped on RED the hour the Scarlet was available in late 2011. I was also disappointed in its low light capability after the fact. Same idea.

I just question what the trade offs will be this time as I have never seen a camera release that has been exactly as the company portrays it upon release and I would not advise on selling off a rig based on a pre-released product line.
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Ah the troll returns! Never mind the questions from Evil thought. Based on this poster's history, good ole evil-t is here to merely stir the pot and take shots at anyone not showing allegiance to Sony. I'm surprised et hasn't dumped the handle to at least avoid that broken record noise.
 
ReelWorksMedia said:
Primarily referencing Sony's history of product releases in general. Its common knowledge that they are "very optimistic" when it comes to specs...then when released...they find new quarks that the end users work with. Of course I acknowledge that every camera company is like this...Sony just has a bit of a reputation for it...I'm sure most can agree. That said, I am not a Sony hater at all. I really love the image of their higher end cameras.

Example: A7s....looks like the best camera in the world a few weeks before release. Amazing on paper.

In the users hands...very present rolling shutter....functions best in aps-c mode (though it was stated to be intended for the end user as a full frame 4K camera), has the black highlight issue, color burn issue, color science is very tricky out of the gate (by far not close to Canon), changing the S-Log base ISO from 1600 to 3200 just before product launch, and the very debatable dynamic range and ability to get close to what they advertise....ect...the list goes on.

Don't get me wrong...I am looking at the F7 with a lot of interest. So far...I'm jumping on it eventually...or until I have a reason not too.

My only point here is that, all camera companies do this at some level. Sony has a slight reputation to do consistently. So exercising caution and not jumping ship on your current system the moment a spec or hint of a new product line comes out is probably in most peoples best interest.

Its always smart to buy gear in a calculated way as opposed to a spec sheet from the company without real field work.

For example: I jumped on RED the hour the Scarlet was available in late 2011. I was also disappointed in its low light capability after the fact. Same idea.

I just question what the trade offs will be this time as I have never seen a camera release that has been exactly as the company portrays it upon release and I would not advise on selling off a rig based on a pre-released product line.
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What a load of nonsense. Marketing and promotion are just that, interest builders. They are not a commitment from a manufacturer. It's just your wishful thinking.
 
Agree with Mitch, Morgan, and others... if its that important for you not to be "fooled" for what's on paper then don't buy it until you pay to rent it for a day or can arrange a test / demo shoot with a local dealer or rental house if it means that much to you... but also then don't complain that you had to rent it for a day in order to do your testing and find your answers. You can't have it both ways.

I bought all my cameras "blindly" from the VX1000, XL1se (PAL), XL2, PD150, HVX200, HPX170, Sony F3, RED, to the F55.... guess I fell for marketing brochures, but didn't seem to make a difference to me in many ways.
 
I learned from the flouro highlights on the FS100 and stupid sensitivity that means you need ND whenever not in a coal mine.

Check and test is my motto. Result, dont own epic, dont own F5 :)

S
 
epsom salt said:
Ah the troll returns! Never mind the questions from Evil thought. Based on this poster's history, good ole evil-t is here to merely stir the pot and take shots at anyone not showing allegiance to Sony. I'm surprised et hasn't dumped the handle to at least avoid that broken record noise.
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Haha! Never had anyone call me a troll before. Congratulations! Wow...man, now for all the other level headed shooters out there....

I am sure you can see I am just clearing stating a logical point of not running out and buying gear the moment its announced on paper. If that makes me a "troll" , so be it. I can live with that. I have done it in the past as I am sure many people on here have as well. I just find, nowadays, for my company....with all of the fantastic cameras being released.....its best to find tested examples and know all of the flows of a camera before I invest. You can continue to buy blindly if money is not an issue. I for one, also am interesting in a consistently growing a business and making solid business decisions and know what I am getting myself into.

Best of luck to you friend. I won't waste my time defending a solid point of view.


Oh....by the way...what the heck are you talking about "based on this poster's history". To my knowledge I have never seen your screen name and always use respect when posting in regards to others point of view. I think you may have me confused with someone else that you may have had a bad experience with. Either way, cheers.


EDIT: I just reread your post. Looks like you quoted me and I may have misunderstood your comment. Sorry if that was the case. Best.
 
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