New OM-D Camera. What can we expect from the EDR sensor?

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Dunno about the sensor, but saw this over at m43 rumors: "It records in Full HD MOV(MPEG-4AVC/H.264) format (no AVCHD 2.0). " so it may not be so great... No clip spanning, no AVCHD 2.0 1080/60P, potentially an inefficient codec implementation. So far it doesn't look like very good competition for the GH3. I guess we'll know more Wed.
 
Rumors are rumors, but sometimes enough to get people to stall purchases. Only reason I haven't purchased a second GH-2 body is because I want to see how these other 4/3 cameras pan out. It'll be hard to beat GH2 hack video, but there's always a possibility.

I'd say that Olympus really had to be paying attention to the video niche to really put in work to surpass what we've got. Me, personally, doesn't seem plausible from a manufacturer such as, but you never know.
 
Given that the M4/3s manufacturers seem to be well aware of the popularity of the GH1/2 Hacks, I wonder if they'll purposely leave the cameras' firmware relatively open to such hacks in the future?
 
If I was an executive in one of this companies I would (secretly) pay this hackers to hack my devices. This hacks really help a lot to sell this devices.
 
Surely people are missing the point with hacks. The fact you can improve the camera through software shows that the camera companies are not maximising their cameras abilities on purpose, the last thing they want is easily hackable cameras. While Panasonic accepts the situation but I bet sales of the Af100 didnt go great after the GH2 hack pushed its abilities to a par with its image.


......Anyway the original question was about EDR sensors. DVX USER seems to have a cronic case of going off topic. It makes for a muddled forum.
 
The fact you can improve the camera through software shows that the camera companies are not maximising their cameras abilities on purpose, the last thing they want is easily hackable cameras.
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Nope. They are just adhering to the sanctioned codec specs, that's all. They have to play it safe to protect themselves. What part of that people don't understand?
 
jimmykorea said:
Surely people are missing the point with hacks. The fact you can improve the camera through software shows that the camera companies are not maximising their cameras abilities on purpose, the last thing they want is easily hackable cameras. While Panasonic accepts the situation but I bet sales of the Af100 didnt go great after the GH2 hack pushed its abilities to a par with its image.
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There has been some speculation that some hacks may shorten the life of the camera and/or degrade the image with prolonged use. Camera manufactures tend to be conservative to insure a product last through out its warranty period. Just like "chipping" or hotroding a car may make it faster it does not mean that the car companies are at fault for making a product which is not maxed out.
 
jimmykorea said:
While Panasonic accepts the situation but I bet sales of the Af100 didn't go great after the GH2 hack pushed its abilities to a par with its image.
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Well. I think it's a bit of both things. Companies like to watch the hackers and Moddrs go at it. It's free R&D for them ;) then again, hacking actually boosts a label's brand awareness, even if is hurt sales of some of it's line. Apple screwed up in the 80's by not opening up their OS, essentially handing Microsoft 90% of the enterprise market, when they opened up later- it was too late.
The worst of the worst with hobbled hardware is Sony. Stay away from that brand.
 
There is absolutely nothing Panasonic is going to do that's going to improve AVCHD. It's a spec. It's locked. A lot of these hacks require super fast, super expensive SDXC cards to work properly. You think people wouldn't complain loudly if Panasonic released a camera that required those? No, they are going to be compatible with the majority of SD cards available on the market.

The only way the GH3 will offer an improved "codec" is if we get clean 4:2:2 8-bit HDMI out (I think that's the best we can hope for) for use with an external recorder. It will still record the same flavor of AVCHD to SD cards that all of Panasonic SD card cameras use.
 
Gary Huff said:
A lot of these hacks require super fast, super expensive SDXC cards to work properly. You think people wouldn't complain loudly if Panasonic released a camera that required those? No, they are going to be compatible with the majority of SD cards available on the market.
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...But what if Panasonic offered a custom "Turbo Mode", that required ultra fast memory cards to work ?
 
Yep... and this is where the stock Oly might have an advantage. It's not using AVCHD. So, it might have much higher bitrates. That said it could also be using a much less efficient mpeg4/h.264 implementation.
 
Gary Huff said:
It's still not to spec of the AVCHD format, so no.
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But then you are straight-jacketed in to the AVCHD spec, which would eliminate higher bit-rate formats for the sake of cross platform compatibility.

Just look at the GH-2 patches, which are far outside the AVCHD specs, but the high bit-rate footage is still compatible with most of the popular NLEs.
 
TheDingo said:
Just look at the GH-2 patches, which are far outside the AVCHD specs, but the high bit-rate footage is still compatible with most of the popular NLEs.
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It doesn't matter if it actually works or not. Until Panasonic revises the specs for AVCHD, you're not going to see anything official at those higher bitrates.
 
Gary Huff said:
Until Panasonic revises the specs for AVCHD, you're not going to see anything official at those higher bitrates.
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...And Sony and any other AVCHD partners have to agree with these changes, which means it won't happen any time soon.

Does the camera have to always function in AVCHD "legal" mode, or can they add "high performance use at your own risk" capability?
 
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Does the camera have to always function in AVCHD "legal" mode, or can they add "high performance use at your own risk" capability?
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I'm not sure why you don't understand the concept of a spec. If you don't follow the spec, what's the point of it? If you have a menu option that sets a value that's not in the specs, you are not following the specs.
 
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