New JVC 4K mini-cam at IBC

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We saw a lot of interesting things today at IBC, but there was one item in particular that I found shows us a little bit better where we’re heading in terms of video development and what new cameras might be able to do for us in the near future.
In this video I talked to European Product ManagerGustav Werner Emrich who seemed to lay out the route they’re pursuing quite clearly. No large sensors, no interchangeable lenses, but 4k at the new cinema camera entry level price of the FS-100 (6-7k €).
Gustav didn’t give me a timeframe, and I think it’s a good thing that they’re not pushing this and that they rather make sure that it works with the obvious artistic limitations (1/2 inch sensor).
There’s an honesty to this approach that I like, rather than almost offering it all, like all the others did: Software that limits cameras with tricks like low bitrates, crippled hdmi output feeds, unkillable overlays, autoexposure, etc…

As proof that the footage is real Gustav showed us that a second prototype model of the camera was actually sitting underneath the TV set (we weren’t allowed to take pictures of it). It had 4 cables going to the TV set. I have no idea what kind of connection that was.
We made a photo of the screen behind Gustav, but unfortunately these pictures do not represent the incredible sharpness and resolution the camera provided in the least bit so I decided not to post them. Sorry guys, you will have to come here and see the screen for yourself.

And while you’re at it you should really check out the 7k camera and 7k TV (or was it 8k?) they have in the other hall. It’s unreal! You might think 4k is enough, but there’s more!

I’m getting the impression RED was right to bet on the resolution horse and that the time when we’ll be laughing at 1080p is not too far away anymore.
 
As long as it has taken for 1080p to get decent market share...4K is going to be niche for the home market for a long time. Nice thought though.
 
As long as it has taken for 1080p to get decent market share...4K is going to be niche for the home market for a long time. Nice thought though.
Doesn't have to be that way. Once manufacturers can figure out how to run their digicam sensors at full resolution and at video speeds (up to at least 60p) for indefinite periods rather than just short bursts, it'll be a no-brainer. It'll simple be there for those who want to use it. Don't need 4K video? Don't use it, just as a lot of people with 1080p-capable dSLRs probably don't make much use of the video.
 
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The JVC camera seems kind of silly. There's no way that a relatively cheap half-inch lens can resolve enough detail to make 4K (QuadHD, actually) worthwhile.
 
The JVC camera seems kind of silly. There's no way that a relatively cheap half-inch lens can resolve enough detail to make 4K (QuadHD, actually) worthwhile.

?? - Your typical point and shoot has 4k resolution - or more, and cheap lenses.
 
I dont' agree with the whole resolution race. 4k is great for major theater release movies. If you are releasing one of these movies you probably have the budget to use an expensive high quality camera/lens setup. So I see no place for 4k outside of this environment, no matter what the marketers want to say... It is just a waste of memory and pixels feeding on the wannabe side of getting something for nothing.

Watch Monday Night Football tonight on a 1080p TV (in the U.S.) and ask yourself how much better it would be at 4k? It looks beautiful and it is only at a paltry 720p (the nerve of those broadcasters, don't they know?)
 
Apparently the camera records to 4 SD cards simulataneously, each receiving a quarter of the entire image. They are all then stitched prior to ingestions. All in glorious AVCHD.
 
Has the market been clamoring for a 4k camera with a half inch sensor?

I'm all for innovation but it seems to me that low light, big sensors and lots of dynamic range are where the game is right now.

The Alexa is only a 2k camera and people seem to like it just fine. I know this JVC is designed for the consumer market but how many consumers are set up to edit and watch 4k footage?
 
I wouldnt take this camera too seriously...I'm thinking it's more or less a tech demo...there are so many compromises.

1/2" sensor at 4k?
4 SD recording scheme?
AVCHD?

Honestly, I think it does little but show everyone "We get it. 4K matters. It's on our roadmap and under development."

I mean, really...many people are struggling with 1080p AVCHD. Imagine 4K. Blerg.
 
I read in Rolling Stone the other day about the scarlett coming out. After that I looked at the cover of the magazine and it said "2009" on it...
 
It's not Jim Jannard's fault that the nuke power plants in Japan melted down and caused a delay in shipment of parts from Japan.
 
I wouldnt take this camera too seriously...I'm thinking it's more or less a tech demo...there are so many compromises.

1/2" sensor at 4k?
4 SD recording scheme?
AVCHD?

Honestly, I think it does little but show everyone "We get it. 4K matters. It's on our roadmap and under development."

I mean, really...many people are struggling with 1080p AVCHD. Imagine 4K. Blerg.

Exactly my thoughts.

Yes :) Never thought I'd hear Red on the 'because you can shoot' side! Haha.

Hahahaha! I'm there with ya. It's refreshing though
 
Before introducing 4K, cameras should first reach these specs:

- 14 stops of latitude
- global shutter
- 60 FPS
- RAW or lossless 10-bit compressed 2K
- flash memory prices come down so that CF or SD cards for RAW or lossless 10-bit compressed 2K cost you $25/hour or less (about 10 cents a gigabyte)
- $5,000

Then, and not before, should they start thinking about 4K. Although honestly the human eye can hardly resolve better than 2K at theatrical viewing distances.
 
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