Now it would be nice if blu-ray spec were amended to include 1080p60 .
Since Sony - and other manufacturers - are "pushing" 1080p60 though their entire lineup, wouldn't it make sense ?
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Now it would be nice if blu-ray spec were amended to include 1080p60 .
Since Sony - and other manufacturers - are "pushing" 1080p60 though their entire lineup, wouldn't it make sense ?
Bassman2003
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It is too bad about Blu-ray. It seems to be lingering out there. I feel they did not look far enough into the future when they put the specs into stone. Once a few years of sales are out there you can not bank on your customer being able to play what they buy.
I think they should have put 1080p30 and 1080p60 as part of the spec even though playback would have been impossible at the time knowing we would there (here) right now.
Plus they have kept the player prices inflated to where the market has not moved from DVD. I think it is a mess.
I think they should have put 1080p30 and 1080p60 as part of the spec even though playback would have been impossible at the time knowing we would there (here) right now.
Plus they have kept the player prices inflated to where the market has not moved from DVD. I think it is a mess.
I remember when DVD came out. I thought great I can finally dump VHS and get the clients to move to better quality.
It took YEARS for clients to make the switch. It was so frustrating that I used to give DVD players to the clients
and I would "trade" them for their VHS players so I could get them on DVD. I would throw the VHS players away.
This way I could "convert" all the previous shows to DVD for a small fee of course!!!!
Fast Forward to 2011 - None of my clients have expressed ANY interest in Blu-Ray.
I have not brought ANY Blu-Ray equipment and don't intend to.
You can show HD video using a PS3 or a Western Digital player
from a USB thumbdrive. And of course you can stream HD direct
to a computer. I would say that 90% of my clients are now
using video streamed from a web-platform.
The other 10% still want that DVD disc.
YouTube, Vimeo, Netflicks and other video centric web playback sites
are the futire of video.
Blu-Ray will continue as a Hollywood Niche for a few more years
and then I would expect it's popularity to wane until it is gone
by 2020.
Bassman2003
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You are speaking the truth but this is scary to me. The internet poses so many playback variables that who knows what quality the customer will see after you deliver. Basically turning our footage from these expensive HD cameras into stuttering mush.
At least optical mediums have a standardized playback that is often connected to a television. Seems to be getting more muddy as we go along.
combatentropy
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I think on Youtube the videos vary in quality but Vimeo always looks nice to me. Even on Youtube the difference probably is due to the author uploading a bad original.
DVDs and TVs have their own set of set of variables --- poor cabling, bad TV settings, etc.
Each delivery system has its pros and cons. The future looks to be Internet delivery. People love to repost their wedding pictures and videos on Facebook. Can't do that with a DVD. All in all, I think your work delivered over the Net is guaranteed to get more eyes on it, which is good marketing for you
I use one of these to playback HD on my HDTV's.
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=330
You can actually play a 1080p .mp4 file from a thumb drive.
The quality looks as good as on the air HDTV.
Most people are more interested in ease of playback than quality.
It is frustrating but the quality of web playback will only keep improving.
I have produced spots shot on RED and posted in HD. I provided the client an HDCAM tape.
They call me a few days later and request SD versions. The clients were too
cheap to spring for the additional cost of running the spots in HD. Grrrrrrrr
Bassman2003
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Combatentropy, I respectfully disagree. At current connection speeds you are lucky to get smooth playback at 480p. (This is for "normal" people, not video centric folks). I encode at 800mbps 480p for video I host. That is nothing to write home about... On my killer editing system I still get jerky playback with internet video browser to browser with a 6meg connection. At least with a DVD or Blu-ray your product will be played back correctly. This hits me because I shoot a lot in 720p60 which is not very internet playback friendly at this point.
I also think selling something is much more difficult on the internet because everybody expects it for free. A disc is a product that has printing and a cover. We all do different work. For me, I am not looking for exposure, I am looking to sell things and my services.
I also think selling something is much more difficult on the internet because everybody expects it for free. A disc is a product that has printing and a cover. We all do different work. For me, I am not looking for exposure, I am looking to sell things and my services.
You can fight it all you want. The future of delivery will be on-line. Discs will be dead. How many VHS tapes do you still watch?
90% of my clients are only showing videos as downloads or streaming. In the past if a client wanted to distribute a video
to 50 locations it cost at least 3-5 bucks per disc and 2 for shipping. So on the low side it was 5 x 50 and an employees
full day of work to ship them out. Now we can upload a file to YouTube, Vimeo or YouSendIt and the 50 locations have
it in minutes. I have not replicated a DVD in years. But I have not produced any videos for sale in years either.
I have a client who is now converting his library of DVD content to web files.
He said he has thousands of DVD's sitting in his warehouse that he probably will not be able to sell.
He has not sold a DVD in over 18 months.
I suggested he set-up a PayPal system to deliver the file though a YouSendIt link.
Bassman2003
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No fighting it here. How do you know I don't use online video a lot? Because one of my businesses is practically built around it.
It looks like your line of work is all online. That's fine, but I would not think that is a great stride for the video business. I see the internet as often representing free and crappy first and foremost. (nothing to do with your work!) If we move to this model for professional work it only will mean wages are going down, plain and simple.
The interent is great but music, photos and now video are just assumed to be free by most of the web world. The advertising model only works for major entities, not for small business like myself.
It looks like your line of work is all online. That's fine, but I would not think that is a great stride for the video business. I see the internet as often representing free and crappy first and foremost. (nothing to do with your work!) If we move to this model for professional work it only will mean wages are going down, plain and simple.
The interent is great but music, photos and now video are just assumed to be free by most of the web world. The advertising model only works for major entities, not for small business like myself.
You play the cards you are dealt. I am not saying I am 100% happy with having to post everything on-line. That is just a business reality. What I am saying is that playing an HD web file looks better than a standard def DVD. If I thought I could make some money authoring and replicating Blu-Rays I would already be doing it.
Robert Ruffo
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Yes, but VHS was inferior video quality - Blu Ray is superior in fidelity to online video for now.
Cosimo Bullo
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HVXguy, we haven't gone the Blu Ray route either. A couple of times we've promised clients that we 'could' deliver blu ray as a final product, but no one ever actually takes us up on it. It's a scary thing to realize, but standard def DVDs are the preferred medium for nearly all of our corporate clients... and many of them are investing quite a lot in the productions we're creating for them.
What matters: good glass and latitude. That's why the HVX lasted so long. The resolution was ridiculously bad compared to so many competitors... and yet once on DVD the footage sang, popped, shined... (insert your own adjective here..). I personally LOVE resolution (we have a RED too) and pixel peep all the time. My clients, they seem to care less.
What matters: good glass and latitude. That's why the HVX lasted so long. The resolution was ridiculously bad compared to so many competitors... and yet once on DVD the footage sang, popped, shined... (insert your own adjective here..). I personally LOVE resolution (we have a RED too) and pixel peep all the time. My clients, they seem to care less.
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That is why Netflix has eaten Blockbusters lunch. The irony is that RedBox seems to be gaining steam.
My wife will still drive over to a RedBox and get a DVD. I see what she is watching and I show
her that she could have been streaming the same movie over Netflix with the PS3.
She says it is too "complicated" and it's a "guy" thing....
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Many of my clients are the same way. Their eyes glaze over when I talk
mp4 streaming html5 css flowplayer javascript stylesheets xml blah blah blah yada yada yada
Much of the problem in the US is our slow connection speeds, we are 25th in the world in average Internet connection speeds, South Korea's average download speed is 34.1 mbps, Sweden's is 22.2 mbps, Romania's is 20.3 mbps, and Japan's is 18 mbps. My Time Warner connection averages 3-4 mbps.
...so HHL, what happened with your LX5 ? Weren´t you satisfied with that compact´s video ? The problem with the hx9v is as a photography tool, it´s pure cxxp ! I´ve downloaded a shxtload of images and it has a real problem at 100% . The canon sx230 hs is a far superior camera for photography, and has 24p . Although the hx9v has one trick no one else can manage at the moment - a 43mp panoramic file ! And the video´s from eoshd show that with low light , the sony goes downhill fast . Well, let us know what you think.
NVentive
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The difference between VHS and DVD was huge, The difference between DVD and Blu-Ray, not so much. I've never had a client demand that a project be mastered to Blu-Ray, so I've never made one.
That being said, my DVD volume is way down. I do a fair amount of simple 1-offs for law enforcement clients, since their media has to be in a 'fixed' format before it can go into court. But for regular clients....my DVD duper only gets turned on a few times a year now. We're thinking that -one way or another- data rates will go up and most everything will go online. We have no idea how it will work, but that's where we are focusing our attention. Interesting times ahead...
That being said, my DVD volume is way down. I do a fair amount of simple 1-offs for law enforcement clients, since their media has to be in a 'fixed' format before it can go into court. But for regular clients....my DVD duper only gets turned on a few times a year now. We're thinking that -one way or another- data rates will go up and most everything will go online. We have no idea how it will work, but that's where we are focusing our attention. Interesting times ahead...
The LX5 is happy at home. Needs a girl friend....
Simple version:
LX5: pocket vid cam w/best pocket stills
S95: pocket cinematograhy w/2nd best stills
HX9V: pocket telescope w/60P slowmo (stills not a factor)
Hope this helps...