http://www.dvdtown.com/news/hddvdgoesbeyond50gbwithnewdisc/4260
HD-DVD has caught up and passed BlueRay -- 3 layer disc by Toshiba holds 51 gb's.
HD-DVD has caught up and passed BlueRay -- 3 layer disc by Toshiba holds 51 gb's.
New HD-DVD Disc is 51 gb's -- Surpassng BlueRay
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AllAroundFilmLV
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OMFG!!! although blu-ray has ABILITY to hold 50GB, bluray only utilizes the first layer, thats only 25GB. Blu-ray is pointless, just like consumer beta-max.
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
Bu-ray will go down... no question... HD-DVD's will be the next media.... but the next BIG media, will be downloadable content.
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
Dude, it's just like Sony's "memory stick" lol. They get hammered all the time by experts saying it's ridiculous that they have to have their OWN kind of memory stick... this is kind of how I feel about Blu-Ray as well... but I must say, I think discs will be obsolite very soon, as broadband and downloading increases.
oneinfiniteloop
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IMO, both formats offer nothing special...paying all that money for higher resolution, I'll pass and wait for reasonably priced contect over the web...it's good to see that some smarter companies are avoiding this foray into useless "battle of the discs" competition.
I'm sorry, but there is one thing that Brandon and Oneinfite are missing. These discs aren't just for Movies... this offers a larger capacity storage system for those interested. I don't even think this topic has anything to do with movies in general or downloadable content. Now if you were to say something as far as hard-drives and space costing 40 cents a gig right about now (see Toshiba's new 1tb hard-drive priced at 400 retail) then that's a valid arguement, in this case, as to why the two disc mediums might perish in their self-made flames.
Cynic821
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i dont see the relevancy of the memory stick and blu-ray disc argument. There of course is the connection of proprietory format, but Sony isnt the only manufacturer of Blu-Ray Players, where as Sony makes the devices that use the Memory Stick such as cameras, PSP etc.
As far as memory stick goes, one can Question that they were dissatisfied with the format of SD or CF for their devices and wanted a better performance, and being sony , they did the R & D and developed it. Memory stick isnt going to disappear, since it will always have a home on Sony devices. And saves Sony money from licensing the SD format. Two different things brandon.
As far as memory stick goes, one can Question that they were dissatisfied with the format of SD or CF for their devices and wanted a better performance, and being sony , they did the R & D and developed it. Memory stick isnt going to disappear, since it will always have a home on Sony devices. And saves Sony money from licensing the SD format. Two different things brandon.
oneinfiniteloop
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Cynic821 said:
I'm personally not a fan of artifacting on a DVD, but I get by. I've seen artifacting on every single format out there (including the HD ones), some are better than others, but I've downloaded HD content that is just as good, if not better, than some of the tangible formats. Artifacting is a byproduct of digital video, and, yes, even BluRay, HD-DVD, and DVD are compressed formats, so there really isn't a good argument when it comes to artifacts.
Using these new "HD" formats as a storage medium, yeah, ok, makes sense I guess, but that is a whole other issue that is generally relegated to the prosumer and up demographic, average joe-schmo is happy with his hard drive and periodic crashes.
Cynic821
Carbonite Member
oneinfiniteloop said:
I really have to question this and your adoption of the format, or lack of. As an adopter of both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, i have watched a plethora of movies on both formats, as well as revisited stuff ive watched on DVD and the compression is night and day, aside from the resolution and PQ in general.
I notice artifacts on DVD as well, and i get by because it was the only choice aside from the theatre, but i will not get by on it anymore. I will also not get by on HDTV broadcast signals or on demand and downloadable content. Comparing downloadable HD to BD/HD-DVD is really stretching it as I havnt seen anything comparable at all as far as PQ and artifacts go. And OF COURSE HD-DVD and BD are compressed formats, just a much much better compression and MUCH higher bit rate and reliable delivery.
oneinfiniteloop said:
That is not an entirely different issue by any means. A storage space increases, so does the potential file-size of programs and user-generated file-types. DVD is not only a format that is used to distribute movies at a higher-quality, but it is a storage-medium used DAILY to archive information across the globe. This goes from household PC users saving 4gigs worth of family photos to send them to others to businesses needing to archive important files. If we didn't have a need for larger space in a more compact space, there would'nt have been a change from the floppy to the CD to the DVD.
The option of a data-disc allowing users to store MORE is certainly applicable to nearly everyone who uses a PC.
The idea of having swappable Hard-Drives is the niche market. How many people do you know that actually swap hard-drives out of their systems as storage mediums that aren't outside of a prosumer or professional usage percentage?
Furthermore, it will be a subjective opinion if Downloadable HD content is right for you or not. It's only my speculation that you won't see CLICK for Download at a 10+gig filesize. Not that I can remember what size the movie was on Blu-Ray, but I'd be willing to wager that the compression would be noticably different, with the DISC winning out.
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
Good point Kholi and I agree! As archiving and data-storing solutions, both formats will have their place! I certainly would love 50+gigs on a single disc to back things up to!
oneinfiniteloop
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Cynic821 said:
I'm not saying the artifacts are the same and/or the quality is close, I know there is a wide gulf between the two formats. Personally, I don't care if the movie is in HD or not. The increase in resolution is hardly a selling point strong enough to get me to dump a ton of money on a player and new movies.
Let's be real here; only fanboys, techies, afficianado's, professionals, prosumer, etc really care about higher resolution. The other 90% of the population wouldn't know the difference between 1080p and 480i even though they have the newest Samsung 1080p Wide gamut blah blah blah TV at home.
kholi said:
I didn't mention hot swapping drives. I was referencing that most people have their content on their hard drives and have no backup, nor care about doing one. I think we as professionals under-estimate the average consumer. I worked at CompUSA for a while and when I said "well, you'll need this hard drive and this whatever to back up your data" they just smiled and nodded and you could see the mothballs rolling around in their head. They didn't care, and they still don't. Most people probably burn a CD of whatever they need when they want to back up, the others that have more than 700mb usually fall into the aforementioned categories.
Either way, picture quality is great, resolution is great, storage and backup solutions are needed, BR and HDDVD are viable formats in that respect, but the endless pursuit of making the picture better for the pictures sake is getting redundant.
Here's the real reason HD-DVD will win out against Sony's Blu-Ray:
http://www.sgknox.com/2007/01/11/no-porn-on-blu-ray/
http://www.sgknox.com/2007/01/11/no-porn-on-blu-ray/
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
Side by side, yes... but if it's on and their watching, they don't care... trust me... I know some who don't, and it bugs me! lolCynic821 said: