New FCP due in spring

blackcat said:
I am not concerned about the price being too low. The problem is that we have a lot invested in a Final Cut workflow. If the price indicates a shift in focus, where the design is geared towards consumers, some of us might have to jump ship and move on. I am not suggesting that is the case, but that is the slightly paranoid thought, that has a lot of us trying to figure out what to do. For example, having the functions of Color built into Final Cut might sound nice, but that doesn't mean that it is set up for an efficient workflow for color design. The same is true with sweetening sound.
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I wouldn't worry about your tool being useless. I heard that only recently FOX moved off An old version of Avid that ran off OS 9 Beige Mac G4s. Final Cut Pro 7 is going to be supported for a long time to come.

I'm primarily a user of Premiere Pro CS5, but FCP X really interests me. I could see it being very useful after an edit has been assembled, and you're looking to reorder it in the timeline based off what a client wants. Right now speech detection is too useful for searching for documentary work to give up CS5 just yet.
 
Regarding the apps being essentially incorporated into FCP X. Unless it's poorly handled, this doesn't simplify or dumb down the workflow or it's efficiency. In fact, it's the way it always should have been. The reason software developed as it did was due to limitations in hardware and the platforms. If RAM and CPU limitations weren't an issue, and if rebuilding from the ground up, I think it makes sense it include Color & STP right into the NLE. It's an efficiency killer to import/export if you can work effectively (without compromising power, stability, and speed) right in the same application.

A tool like Motion/Shake makes sense to be separate though, as does DVD Studio Pro (though I'll be surprised to see that even offered anymore, let alone updated), as does a separate module for Compressor to leave running. I think Apple might still offer dedicated STP/Color modules, not because (and hopefully not because) they are necessary, but for the sake of having a dedicated tool for the people who's jobs revolve around the one particular function alone.
 
One positive aspect of lower priceing may be that apple will likely sell a whole lot more copies and make a substanthial amourt of money, the more copies they have out, and the more money they make the greater the incentive to create regular updates and improvements.

This incentive should also apply to third party plug in manufacturers and camera makers to ensure their products play well with fcpx

Additionally, if the different components sell individually I could buy 2 seats of fcpx but I only need one seat of compressor as I don't think I'll be doing any transcoding on my laptop.
 
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filmguy123 said:
Regarding the apps being essentially incorporated into FCP X. Unless it's poorly handled, this doesn't simplify or dumb down the workflow or it's efficiency. In fact, it's the way it always should have been. The reason software developed as it did was due to limitations in hardware and the platforms. If RAM and CPU limitations weren't an issue, and if rebuilding from the ground up, I think it makes sense it include Color & STP right into the NLE. It's an efficiency killer to import/export if you can work effectively (without compromising power, stability, and speed) right in the same application.

A tool like Motion/Shake makes sense to be separate though, as does DVD Studio Pro (though I'll be surprised to see that even offered anymore, let alone updated), as does a separate module for Compressor to leave running. I think Apple might still offer dedicated STP/Color modules, not because (and hopefully not because) they are necessary, but for the sake of having a dedicated tool for the people who's jobs revolve around the one particular function alone.
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I for one was hoping for a combined "super-app" (for lack of a better term). Programs/platforms like Smoke and Avid DS are amazing and that ability is not far out of reach for Apple. Granted, both are hardware systems that have recently provided software only versions, but giving the power of CPU's and the non-RAM issue I think Apple could find a happy ground.

Just think, it'd be amazing to have the ability to edit in FCP, node-based compositing from shake, color correct a la Color then finish with compressor to DVD studio pro in one app, plus add soundtrack in for audio. That'd be amazing.

edit: forgot about Motion, but I'm a motion designer so it never really comes to mind over AE
 
oneinfiniteloop said:
I for one was hoping for a combined "super-app" (for lack of a better term).
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Same here. I think that would be amazing. They haven't showed it in detail yet, but I am hoping that the vast majority of STP/Color features have been incorporated and that this wish is largely realized. The demo seemed to show that things were going that direction (at least with Color/STP) so I am hopeful this is the case. Doesn't seem like that will be the case for Motion though, but I can live with (and understand) Motion/Shake being separate as long as the integration is super slick. AE5/PP CS5 shine in that area so I'm hoping Apple catches up there.
 
One thing is clear, it doesn't look like apple is giving up on the editing software market, as rumored a year ago or so, and I think that's a good thing. I'm sure I'll upgrade at some point but will I be able to do anything I need to do that I can't do already? no. will it be nice to move faster especially with rendering? yes.
 
I think this point says it all:

"I believe that those who are crying foul about the simplicity and perceived hand-holding of FCPX don't feel a threat against their livelihood, they're actually fearful that their lack of talent, creative problem solving and interest in editing as a profession will be uncovered."
 
Barry_Green said:
Some brilliant points in there.
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I think that the article makes sense. On a practical note, it seems likely to me that entry level editing work is currently--and will continue exponentially to be--the quickest part of the digital video workforce to be over-saturated. That doesn't say anything about higher level editing work, but it does about many folks below that level. The barrier to entry will be much lower than having a camera rig or audio setup. Final Cut X might make editors more efficient, like the article says, but it isn't going to be the only force that eventually over-saturates that workforce, at least on the entry level.
 
I'm excited. It's going to be awesome having a new way of doing things! One thing no one has discussed yet is Final Cut Studio when FCP X hits the app store. It will still have FCP 7 in it. Apple has never sold conflicting versions of an app before. So, there's that issue we can all speculate about and shake in fear over, too. Yes, quake with devastating fear! That's it! ACTION!

"I wouldn't worry about your tool being useless." is the best line in this whole thread.

As for speech detection, try GET. Works way better than Adobe's hit and miss version.

One point that gets glossed over is this is NOT an upgrade. This is a whole new application. Apple stressed that point at the demo.
 
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Shake was discontinued long ago. Still works like a charm though.

BenB said:
I'm excited. It's going to be awesome having a new way of doing things! One thing no one has discussed yet is Final Cut Studio when FCP X hits the app store. It will still have FCP 7 in it. Apple has never sold conflicting versions of an app before. So, there's that issue we can all speculate about and shake in fear over, too. Yes, quake with devastating fear! That's it! ACTION!
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BenB said:
One thing no one has discussed yet is Final Cut Studio when FCP X hits the app store. It will still have FCP 7 in it. Apple has never sold conflicting versions of an app before.
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The reason no one is discussing it is because Final Cut Pro 7 is not in the Apple App Store.
 
Gary Huff said:
The reason no one is discussing it is because Final Cut Pro 7 is not in the Apple App Store.
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Doesn't matter, Apple has never sold multiple application versions at one time, that's the point. App Store or online store has nothing to do with it. Just saying, be prepared for the FCS suite to be gone from the online store when FCP X is released. But not be "gone" for good. There would be some announcement about a future release. Selling both at the same time would go against their policy to date. It will be very interesting to see what happens on that day. Just saying, since we're all speculating here anyway...
 
Apple has though supported two versions of iMovie concurrently. When iMovie got it's big makeover a few years ago the new version and the old version were both available and supported. I don't think the old version was for sale anymore but it was a free download if your purchased the new version.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple did the same thing and support both the current Apps and new the Apps for a while. Especially since I've read that Apple reps are saying FCP X should be seen as a version 1 release. That leads me to believe that while the core of an NLE will be present in FCP X there will be features some features that it lacks compared to FCP 7.


-Andrew
 
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