Neo Scene for 60p to 24p?

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RS-Colo

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I am soon to be using Vegas Pro 9. I am trying to figure out if there is much reason to use Neo Scene to convert a AVCHD 720/60p video out of the camera to 24p. My final destination now is widescreen normal DVD. I may in the future be heading for widescreen Blu-Ray at 720p. Most of what I read says that the main reason for using Neo Scene is for the conversion from 60i to 24p, the removal of the interlacing. But my video will be progressive to start with.

Thanks for any clarity.
 
My main reason for using Neo Scene had more to do with easier editing.
Easier as in less work for my CPU which Vegas needs.




I think the main reason to use Neo Scene would be due to the fact that AVCHD is not an editing format.
Neo Scene changes the long GOP to I frame and the 4:2:0 to either 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 which should hold up well to heavy editing.


I don't use special effects or do color grading and such so I no longer use Neo.
AVCHD holds up pretty well for the basic editing I do.


You can deinterlace and you should be able to change 60fps to 24fps in Vegas.
 
Thanks Hidef1080.

I think I understand enough of what you said to have my answer. I don't think I will need Neo Scene. My new laptop will have an i7 chip, 6GB, and a GPU with 1GB of video memory. My guess is it will be fine editing the AVCHD without conversion until I send it to the DVD software.

I wish there was a good reference doc to help get up to speed on all the tech and terms in video. I am a very long time still photographer; my first job as a teenager was in a camera store. That was longer ago than I want to admit. I worked with a 4x5 for years. But video is a whole new experience for me. The camera stuff I fully understand, but I don't know what GOP is, unless is really is "Grand Old Party". I have a little understanding about the color grading that you talk about. But I thought that deinterlacing was going from XXi to XXp. Since I will have a 60p source from my camera and my eventual output will be to a DVD I thought the output will be either 30p or 24p. Why would I need deinterlacing?

I have so much to learn. Thanks again for your answer.
 
RS-Colo said:
I don't think I will need Neo Scene. My new laptop will have an i7 chip, 6GB, and a GPU with 1GB of video memory. My guess is it will be fine editing the AVCHD without conversion until I send it to the DVD software.
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Doubt it. Playback will be no problem, but editing with Vegas in real time with no dropped frames... Highly unlikely.
 
Great referal to the 64p to 24p thread. Thank you a lot. It did help me understand a number of things. I actually never thought about the fact that you can take a 1/30 of a second stream of video with the video setting at 60p. Of course it has to do something. I think I have even taken some videos this way. I supose it could have just put the same image on two frames, but automatically lowering the video setting to 30p makes more sense. BTW, I also have a GH1 as my camera.

One thing that comes to mind is I am not all that excited about the 24fps "movie look". Wouldn't it make sense for me to just stick to 30fps since it is much easier to convert from 60p to 30p? And my understanding is a DVD can be in either 24 or 30 and DVD players will still play it.

Thanks again.
 
Tainted,

When I drop a 720/60p AVCHD clip into Vegas set to 720/30p MPEG-2 won't Vegas convert is to the 720/30p MPEG-2 setting and THEN do any editing? Or will it leave everything in native resolution and try to edit that? If the latter, can I use Veags to first do conversion on each clip and then use those clips for the editing process? And if this works, will it result in a poorer final DVD?

Everythig I learn leads to more I dont't know. My head hurts.
 
RS-Colo said:
i7 chip, 6GB, and a GPU with 1GB of video memory. My guess is it will be fine editing the AVCHD without conversion until I send it to the DVD software.
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FYI I have an i7, win7 64-bit and 12 GB and 64-bit Vegas 9 bogs down on AVCHD. I downgraded to 32-bit Vegas 9 and things work fine.
 
RS-Colo said:
That seems counter-intuitive. Shouldn't the 64bit version of Vegas work better on a 64bit PC?
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Yes it should work MUCH better. That's what frustrates me about using Vegas. It's very buggy... but I love its intuitive interface and ease of working in.
 
I am getting it for only $400 from Sony when I bought it with my new Sony PC. It was between Vegas and Premier, but I have never been a big fan of Adobe. I find I have to search forever to find every feature in Adobe products. So the discount pushed me to Vegas. If they haven't tested it completely on the new Sony laptop designed for video production (yes, and gaming), then they have real problems. Actually, I don't think they specified if the Vegas was going to be the 64 or 32 bit version. I'll have to check when I get the PC sometime later this month.
 
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