Need help on a few topics

LaFinDuMonde

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Hi, I am about to buy a good deal of equipment(starting with the DVX100A) so that I can finally put my passion for moviemaking into a technically and visually suitable vehicle. However, I have a few questions left unanswered, and am trying to keep a reasonably low budget(definitely not more than 10,000, i already have all the NLEs and such programs):

1. First question, can i capture through a camera(thru firewire) and directly into a USB 2 harddrive? My main question is whether USB 2 is capable of video capture, or do I need a firewire card with multiple ports and a firewire(maybe firewire-800) hardrive?

2. Sound- I am hearing good things about the ME66, and it seems to fit my needs. My movie is in NYC, most of it occuring on the streets and alleys, so off-axis nois rejection is a must. Also, is the pro foam windscreen fine(on a normal day) or is a softie a must(which is very expensive) However, I also hear that for close-up dialogue, an ME64 might be useful, because it is better suited for clean dialogue and it is not necessary to have the mic pointed at whoever is speaking, making off camera speech possible. Also, my film has a good deal of narration: is the ME64 significantly better for this purpose?(recording voice-overs) Another question is if the built-in mic is decent enough purely for room ambience/street ambience, or do I really need a ME62 or similar mic? Although I know that booming is the best way to get sound, I will have a limited crew, so booming may not be an option always. Can most of these mics be used on camera and give decent results?(If it is a close up I can always have someone hold the mic in the shock mount taped onto a pole, so there it may not be an issue). Basically I need decent quality sound mostly on camera outside on city streets and for narration.

3. 16:9: I know this one's been milked to death so I'll try to keep it short. I want to shoot in widescreenn to make a dvd and submit it to festivals. Is "squeeze" mode really good enough, because the answers I have recieved are very mixed. It seems that the anamorphic adapter(and the 16:9 viewfinder attachment) is undoubtably better quality, but it seems to have its own issues. Is it really that flimsy? Is focusing that difficult in the average zoom ranges? Are there any other difficulties? Also, although I may get a flowpod or similar stabilizer, i noticed that the adapted warns against use with the image stabilizer. What does this refer to and is this a big deal and fixable?

4. This is short: is there any way, short of standing on a box/in a high window, to get a high angle shot above people's heads without a large crane?

5. Flowpod? Good idea? I have MANY moving shots in my movie. Track dollies are not very practical on NY streets and are expensive. There are reasonable tripod dollies(Bogen/Manfrotto), but do these perform well off studio floors?

6. tripods: I want a reasonable tripod that has a fluid head, preferably ball leveling, a center column, sturdy legs and reasonably tall. There is a Bogen Manfrotto one for around 220 with 3001 legs and a 501 head? Is this an ok choice? Also, a weird idea that I've seen is using the cheap(80) Bogen Manfrotto monopods(with fold-out legs which support a surprising 23 lbs) and putting a fluid ball head on it. This is a good deal cheaper than the tripods, but does it really provide enough stability?

7. Lastly, a lot of my film will be at night. Although much of NY is lit at night and I sorta like the natural lighting, i know that often a little fill can help and that in the alleys there will not be enough light. I do not want to carry around a lighting kit, period. Is it worth buying an on-camera light? If so, what kind and with what accessories? I've seen the Frezzi Micro-Fill and Paglight M as possibilities. What do you suggest?

Well that's all for now. I know its long, but I hope you guys can help me out. Thanks.
 
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Capturing -- If you have a firewire port on your computer you can capture to any hard drive attached to the computer.

Sound --  Stick with the ME66 to start.  The streets of NYC are going to require all the off-axis noise rejection you can get and the ME66 is good at punching dialogue through the noise.  If you can find a good spot to do the narration like a walk-in closet or build a simple sound box, the ME66 will give identical results to the ME64.  It's not a warm, sweet sound, but it's perfectly suitable for recording good quality narration.

16:9 -- You'll get the highest quality with the anamorphic lens and most folks use it without problems.  However, letterboxing or squeeze mode yield very high quality footage.

High angles -- How about a ladder?

Stabilization -- I've used the Glidecam 2000--it's very nice for short shots, but doesn't replace a dolly.  the Flowpod is a similar device.  How about a wheelchair?

Tripods -- Don't skimp here, the convertible monopod will suck bigtime.  The 503 is a true fluid head and find some good Bogen legs with a 75mm or 100mm leveling bowl.

On-camera lights -  The Frezzi and the Paglight are both good, but the on-camera look--ugh.  If you can steal power and use a better light--do it.
 
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Barry, thanks so much for all your help. I still have one or two points I need help clearing up.
-Is the built-in mic ok for getting ambience(street background noise)?(I know it blows for everything else) Do I need something like the Sennheisser ME62 to cover this?
-About the adapter(which I now plan to get), what is the deal with mixing it with OIS? Does it mess up the prisms? Also, is there anywhere you can direct me for help with focusing it?(on the DVX100A)
-As I just won't be able to lay down track and such on crowded streets, a combination of a stabilizer and a wheelchair(as you sugessted)/skateboard should do alright. Are those portable tripod dollies(the the three outward legs with wheels thatyou put your tripod on, bogen makes one) any good?(of course I'm only talking about reasonably level environments, like a decent sidewalk)
-Last, lights. Are the on-camer lights really that "ugh". Do they look pretty much like you smacked a flashlight on your camera into the subjects face?(even with dichroic filter, barndoors, diffuser, etc.?) If so, is there any semi-portable, reasonably priced lighting solution? I do not need many complicated lighting set-ups, at night the grim, dimly lit feel is perfect for my movie, I just am trying to avoid grain and quality loss. All color effects will be done in post. What do you suggest?
Thanks for all your help so far, this forum is great.
 
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O sry, few more things...I know this is probably annoying.
-Are those windscreens find for outdoor use(on a normal day, not excessively windy), or do Ireally need the expensive softies?
-All these mics are decent on camera, not always boomed, right?
-Is the directivity of the ME66 a problem when your recording dialogue, but not always looking at the person who is speaking?(i.e. a reaction to what someone is saying) If it is a problem, how can I get around this?(or should I just get an ME64,too?) Should I record it afterwards and then do it in post? Or is it not a problem?
Thanks, sry i seem to know nothing...
 
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Off-axis rejection can only do so much, and if you're shooting on uncontrolled NY streets you're likely to be disappointed with anything. That said, no mic will do at all well ON the camera even in the best of situations... even disregarding your question about differential sound/video pickup. So, if you're planning on shooting on the streets, you should AT LEAST use a boom and get as close as humanly possible. Or closer.

-Barry
 
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Is the on-camera mic ok for ambient? Yes, I think it's fine to collect ambient, if you're careful not to handle the camera while you're recording.

Anamorphic and OIS --Not sure about this point since I letterbox. Someone with the ana will chime in.

Studio dolly adapters? Forget about using them outside, they're meant to reposition studio cameras and won't track straight.

On camera lights are an ugh because your night scenes will look like COPS :-). In dramatic films the light should be motivated--which means it looks like it's coming from a probable source like a streetlight or the moon or a store window. Renting a couple fresnels and a Honda quiet generator would work if you can't steal power.

Foam windscreens are almost unusable outside. A Lightwave Equalizer will totally block wind noise even in a moderate wind. You can build your own version, but don't leave home without it.

Boom your mic if at all possible--find a way to do it. An on-camera mic can work if you're right next to the person--sometimes. Forget about picking up reaction shots with a shotgun pointed away from the actor doing the dialogue. The sound level will drop sharply when you pan the camera--even with the ME64.

Forget about recording the dialogue in post--ADR is hard work even for pros.
 
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Thanks a lot for all your help.
Is booming really such a complicated process in close-up dialogue situations? couldn't someone just tape a shockmount to a stick and hold it closer/in the direction necessary and get better sound, especially if you're not looking at the source of the noise?
 
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[quote author=LaFinDuMonde link=board=Links;num=1087362507;start=0#0 date=06/15/04 at 22:08:27]4. This is short: is there any way, short of standing on a box/in a high window, to get a high angle shot above people's heads without a large crane?[/quote]

A small crane? Check the CobraCrane from ProMax. Someone also makes a device (HiPod or something?) that is a giant monopod, with I think a tilt mechanism, designed for looking over crowds...

5. ... There are reasonable tripod dollies(Bogen/Manfrotto), but do these perform well off studio floors?
Based on wheel diameter, I'd say NO.
 
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Regarding dialogue recording, consider also getting some wireless lavs. Better than using a camera-mounted mike in most situations.

As for on-camera lights, the litepanels are pricey but give you a camera-mountable, daylight-balanced, dimmable softlight, and come with various color gels. The light falls off fairly quickly, but for shots where the camera's close to your subjects, they'll do the trick. www.litepanels.com
 
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Booming doesn't have to be complicated--you can make a workable shock mount out of a short length of PVC pipe and some rubberbands. Real boom poles are nice, but you can use anything as long as it doesn't rattle or make noise. Some painter's poles are fine. And you can jury rig the shock mount to the pole--a trip to the hardware store will yield a cheap and easy solution.
 
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[quote author=Brian Lehrer link=board=Links;num=1087362507;start=0#6 date=06/16/04 at 13:50:14]Thanks a lot for all your help.
Is booming really such a complicated process in close-up dialogue situations? couldn't someone just tape a shockmount to a stick and hold it closer/in the direction necessary and get better sound, especially if you're not looking at the source of the noise?[/quote]

I guess that is, technically, booming... a "boom pole" is just a device that makes it easier, better, and more reliable. Many folks have rigged up their own booming devices; there're many plans around on the web that use cheap Home Depot parts (extendable lightbulb-changers, mostly) to make fairly nice boom poles. Weight is important for long shots; you don't want your mic falling off; you don't want the pole hardware to make noise; and you want it to be easy to manipulate. After that, the boom operator's technique is everything...

WindTech advertizes some super-duper double-layer foam windscreens that are supposed to be better than other foam windscreens; I'm not advocating, I'm just wondering if anyone has any experience with 'em?
 
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Thanks.
-So i take it that you need a windscreen at least for all situations, but do you need a softie or equalizer for outdoors(on a not particularly windy day in the summer in NYC)? Caz these are very expensive, starting over 100 bucks.
-Any suggestions on reasonable Lavs to use in conjunction with a shotgun. Also, any suggested setups for sound that you guys use?
-Stas_tagios, that light sounds great, but some say that the on-cam lights look like "cops", for example, because they come from the camera. Not very pretty or realistic, especially at night. Is this true? Even with a fill light, like a Frezzi micro fill?
-Lastly, Im gonna try and focus most on writing, caz that is what makes the movie. I can get away with some badly lighted parts, caz this could be a "asthetic decision"ahah, also it fits my movies mood. BUT sounds cannot suck. It will just sound cheap. So can you guys suggest a good setup( multiple mics adn kinds)for sound: ambience, dialogue, narration all in NYC streets?
 
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O and would you guys recommend an over the shoulder stabilizer(DVRigpro) for moving shots or handheld ones like a steadipod or flowpod?
 
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Theres a great stabilizer that uses an x y axis to center the weight. Also the cheapest one on the interenet that I have seen.

www.cameracranes.us
 
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