Need Custom Laptop for Adobe Premiere

Egg Born Son said:
How'd you go Michael? Yer desktop on yer desk top yet? Tried it out?
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I didn't get mine yet. But, even if I did, I wouldn't be able to use it until id get to College in September.
There is no room and no desk in my room at home, so there would be no where to put it or use it. Everything is away at my house at the college.
There are sales going on every once in a while, so Im waiting for the next one, and will be getting it then. Just before September hits, basically.

That's cool you got one. Im looking forward to mine too :) Never had a computer so fast before.
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I will be having three hard drives:
1 SSD,
1TB HDD
1TB HDD

Now I'm wondering, HOW do you save/instal programs, pictures, videos etc. onto these hard drives to keep the computer running fast as new all the time?

So, if I understand correctly, the OS should be installed on the SSD.
What about other software such as Adobe Preimere, Photoshop, After Effects (if I get the other ones) and any other basic software. Even the internet/firefox. Does everything I install go on the SSD?

I will also be writing documents and notes or maybe writing scripts or whatever.
Uploading/Saving/Editing pictures
Uploading/Saving/Editing videos
Which Hard Drive should these be saved on?

Right now I didn't even think about where to save my stuff. I just did the quick route by saving most of my stuff onto the desktop.
Dividing it up into separate folders and saving my stuff in there. From pictures, documents, etc.

But, I need to be more organized and careful to not slow down my computer.

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Besides saving my stuff in the proper place, what other maintenance is required on a daily/weekly/monthly basis?
 
Well I can assure you that when you get it you won't be disappointed. I'm a bit disappointed with the monitor but it was only $200. It works better with the lights on strangely. Maybe it's the matte coating but the viewing angles are pretty narrow with the lights off. Or maybe I'm sitting too close, I need to clear the clutter on my desk.

Put the OS and programs on the SSD if it's big enough. Otherwise just your most important programs. You can also set the SSD to be about 10% smaller than the rated capacity (over provisioning) to extend its life. You don't have to defrag it or anything. Basically maintenance free. Data and media goes on the HDDs. The optical drive is my only bottleneck at the moment. It is like driving a ferrari on the open road then getting stuck behind a caravan convoy! The integrated GPU on the chip is very impressive. I don't have any software that challenges it. I need to get something more up to date. The original Mass Effect (2008) plays seamlessly at full graphics and that's the newest game I've got. Loading up Premiere Pro today.
 
FWIW: A Dell XPS 8500 with an i7 3770, 1 TB, 8 GB for $800. You might need to upgrade the 450 watt power supply, maybe $80, & install a NVIDIA video card for $120 to $200. Not a bad base to start on.


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Damn that's a good price. I know you guys probably sick of us non-US members whinging about prices but the closest offer here on Dell Australia is:

Dell XPS 8500 Online Price.........................................$1698.98
3rd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-3770 processor (3.40 GHz with Turbo Boost 2.0 up to 3.90 GHz)
8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 SDRAM 1600MHz Memory
AMD Radeon™ HD 7770 2GB DDR5
2TB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive with 32GB SSD SRT enhancement

With our currency the strongest it's ever been too. I paid less than that with more and better components. Comparing with your prices shows the difference in market buying power. Comparing to the price of mine, the markup for assembly and warranty. For s*%ts and giggles I upgraded and accessorised the Dell to get it as close to mine as I could and was knocking 2400 with inferior parts!
 
Okay, reporting on some real world pseudo benchmarks:

Massive Effect 1 (old game) using on-chip GPU only: solid 30+ FPS on highest settings, 60 FPS in open wasteland and tunnels
Deus Ex Human Revolution (recent game) using on-chip GPU only: solid 30+ FPS on medium settings, 20+ FPS on highest settings (occasional dip down to 14FPS)

WOW, that's some mean integrated graphics.

Rendering in CS4

I rendered a 1 minute 1080p/24 H.264 file from P2 720p (anamorphic) MXF source files comprising of two 30 second clips with a simple cut transition, no effects or any other processing. OS, CS4, source, intermediate and output files all on the same drive. I set it up this way to recreate the conditions of the 1st gen i5 2.4GHz (4 core/4 thread) processor, possibly with a 5,400rpm HDD (unsure) that I had previously rendered this clip for comparison.

Results

On the i5 it took 23 minutes to render.
On the i7 3770 it took 1 minute 18 seconds.

Approximately 18x faster. Only 30% longer than the clip plays. I have yet to optimise anything so I am well pleased I can already see every dollar I spent right there on the screen. I wish I had a Sandy Bridge to compare to. The next phase will be when I get my graphics card, though I'm almost tempted to skip it. Almost.

I also monitored chip temperatures. Playing games the CPU never got above 25C (77F) and the board 21C (70F). Rendering was another story. The CPU was clocking at 3.9GHz on every core with 50-95% utilisation of each core. I'm calling her Scotty because she was giving me all she's got cap'n! Doing one minute clips with a minute or two break between them the CPU (scotty) got up to 34C (93F) and a sustained 20 minute burst levelled out at 40C (104F), the motherboard reached 24C (76F). After the burst it took about 30 seconds to reach 30C and less than 2 minutes to return to idle temperatures.

I'm not sure what the upper limit is on the ivy bridge yet but I've read that heat is more of an issue than for sandy bridge and that the thermal paste intel used isn't very good. I expect it's higher than that. Other factors are: I noticed afterwards that I had left one of the two chassis fans unplugged last time I fiddled with the motherboard, don't know how much this contributed. Second when I get my GPU that will introduce a lot more heat to the equation, how much is yet to be seen.

Hope this information is useful to someone considering the i7 3770. At that Dell price unadog found it's a steal!
 
Egg Born Son said:
Hope this information is useful to someone considering the i7 3770. At that Dell price unadog found it's a steal!
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Thanks so much for sharing the benchmarks! I am waiting for PPBM6.com to get their benchmark database for CS6 going. The older PPBM5.com has a lot of good data.


Just looking today at i7 3770 options. There are two option for those who want to build on one of the Dell's. (Details at techbargains.com):


1) There is a Dell Vostro 470 Mini Tower with the i7 3770, 4 GB of RAM, 500 GB 7200 HDD for $579, free shipping. That is with integrated graphics. You can add a GT 640 graphics card for $50, but I'd rather go the external vendor route.

Add 24 GB of RAM in 3x8GB for $180, 2x 2 TB Seagate Barracuda at $100 each, Power Supply at $80 (comes with a 350 watt.) Add an OCZ 120 GB SSD for $80. GTX 460, 560, or GTX 670.


2) There is also the Dell 8500 that was previouisly posted, now with a 24" IPS monitor for $979. That is with 8GB of RAM, 1 TB HDD, GT 640 monitor, 450 watt power supply.. Enough to get you running pretty well! Add 16GB of RAM, upgrade the video card later. Not a bad base machine.

Sorry to hear that they are so expensive in Australia! It is hard to build a machine here for the same price, with the OS and CPU prices at Newehh. That i7 3770 costs $310 by itself at Newegg! Nice to get a base box built for $250 more, along with the OS, HDD and RAM, etc.


On vacation, more later once I get back! Best, Michael

Dell U2412M 24" 1920x1200 eIPS Monitor; Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz
Quad-Core Ivy Bridge; ; 8GB RAM; 1TB HDD; DVD burner; 802.11n + gigabit +
bluetooth 4.0; Windows 7 Home Premium; NVIDIA Geforce GT640 1GB; 1yr warranty;
15mo McAfee Security Center; keyboard/mouse included
 
So, if I want to be working with RED files, would I be having any problems?

They say you need a Raid, and the Red Rocket.
 
So, I did get that computer btw.
It came out to $2K with a few extras like a monitor, blu ray burner, etc that I didnt factor in but with the discounts I was able to get it all in for $2K. :)

Intel i7 3820 (3.60GHz)
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB
128GB SSD
16GB HDDR3 8x2
1TB HDD x2
1TB External HDD
Blu-Ray Burner
1000w Power Supply
Asus VE247
Wireless Mouse/Keyboard
HDMI Cables

Like I stated in the very first post (I believe it was)
that I am not a computer guy. I know somethings, but I dont know a whole lot.

I wanted to know if you could give me some tips on keeping this computer running fast as if brand new all the time.

And also when I am downloading a program (Premiere, Photoshop, etc) I want to download these onto a separate hard drive instead of the hard drive which has my Operating Systems. However, sometime it doesnt even ask me where to save it and it automatically saves it onto my SSD, but I don't want it to. What do I do?

Another thing, when I access the internet, or do something on my computer, I know it saves files and pictures and what not onto the computer somewhere. I tried deleting as many files as I could. I also go on run %temp% and delete everything all the time to keep it running fast.
But I do notice that even when I am not doing anything my SSD is very slowly getting filled up. I had about 72gb left, now down to 68.5gb, when Im not doing anything. I want to keep it as empty as possible and install my stuff on a separate HDD
 
Congrats. That's one mean graphics card. That's the one I've got my eye on, although amazingly the on-chip graphics processor has met all my needs so far.

SSD works in a very different way to HDD. They don't need to be defragged (in fact I believe it is bad to defrag them) and unlike a HDD performance isn't affected noticeably as it fills up. 5-10GB free for temp files is more than enough.

With 16GB+SSD you also don't need a windows swap page file so turn that off. That is probably contributing to the SSD filling up. This will also keep everything in RAM which is faster than the swap file.

Always choose advanced installation when installing software, that way you should get the option to specify the path. If it doesn't then do an online search specific to the program to see if someone has a workaround. Often there is a command line installation method that gets around this. You can sometimes physically move the files and mess with the registry but you need to know what you're doing and a bit of luck to make that work. If you are planning installing some games that use that piece-of-s*%t known as Steam (when will they stop punishing legitimate software purchasers, downloaders don't have to put up with this copy protection crap) there are instructions on their support pages for doing so.

The temporary internet files can be cleared in Tools/Internet Options/General of internet explorer.

I've got my OS, adobe CS4 master suite, 5 games and a bunch of utilities on my SSD and still have ~36GB left. All my data is stored on other drives.
 
short question michael,

why did you get a SSD if you don't want to store your applications on it? Usually you get an SSD that your system and applications start in highspeed...

Egg Born Son may have answered all your questions, so i'll just second his post!

cheers
 
If possible get something with Thunderbolt as that is the only way you can upgrade your laptop down the road into something decent. With RED footage, if you want realtime playback, requires a $3K+ PCI-E card.

I would hope that someone would be making an equivalent device using a Thunderbolt connection so it can be an external device.
 
It's a legacy of a time when windows was more memory hungry than the maximum RAM it could support. It creates a swap file also called a paging file on the hard drive and uses it as virtual RAM. It stores the infrequently called instructions there (slow) instead of physical RAM (fast). With 16GB of RAM this file is redundant. You know my system is similar to yours and other than for video editing I haven't been able to fill even 8GB of RAM at any one time, even with multiple programs running. I'm using CS4 while I save up and it only uses 4-5GB by itself during a render (probably a software limitation).

I'm not near my Win7 machine now but looking on my XP laptop, assuming it's the same the setting should be found in:

Control Panel/System/Advanced (tab)/Performance (settings button)/Advanced (tab)/Virtual Memory (change button)
Select No paging file (radio button) then press Set (button)

You might notice a small performance boost but odds are it's assigning the memory but not really using it. And anything it is loading into it is going to be low use anyway. It's probably set at 4-8GB by default, so you'll get that space back.
 
I have the following programs installed:
-RedCine-X Pro
-Adobe Premiere Pro
-Photoshop CS6
-Adobe After Effects (Getting it soon)
-Microsoft Office
-Skype

I have this:
SSD
1TB int. HDD
1TB int. HDD
2TB ext. HDD

When I got the programs, I downloaded it all onto a new folder on my first int. HDD.
When I open the programs, its fast. I have no issues when loading it.
But I was told I can/should put it on my SSD.

A few questions:
-Will there be enough space to store all this software onto the SSD and still have enough space to properly run the O.S.? (I have 82GB of 119GB free - Was told I need a min of 20-30GB to run O.S. properly)
-Will I have a lot of space left over to download more stuff - Or will I be limited now?
-Will premiere, after effects, RedCine-X programs run faster when editing or exporting or is it just faster when you open them? - What makes it better to save on the SSD
-If I do want to move my files onto my SSD from my HDD, what would be the fastest way to do that? - Do I uninstall every program and re-install it on the SSD, format the HDD, or drag/drop?
-When I have RedCine-X, Premiere, Photoshop, etc install where will my cache and other things be stores? Whats the best drive to have it save to? Should it go to my int. HDD then? Instead of filling up my SSD?

Update:
I just tried installing Premiere & Photoshop onto 'C:\Program Files' but it is saying that "download may fail due to restrictive access privilages. Please select a different folder"
Im lost... That is where it should be installed, right?
 
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It is less important to have programs other than the OS on the SSD. The increased performance is for loading time only. Once executables, libraries and data is in memory the SSD plays no further part (especially with no paging file). So you when you open Premiere it will be ready to use in just a few seconds. From a HDD it might take twice as long or even slightly longer but with your processor, you are still talking just a few seconds. It benchmarks slightly slower than mine but is probably slightly quicker in the real world. It is not going to be very noticeable and only occurs when you first open a program.

The program will not usually load plugins and other non-key libraries until they are first called. So the first time you activate a plugin when the library gets loaded into memory, you may save a second or two. Once it is in memory, again the SSD will play no further part. In the course of an editing session you may get a total of a minute or two less loading time, not noticeable. Games gain much more benefit from being on the SSD because they frequently need to load new levels. NLEs not so much, once it's in memory it stays there. Only data swaps regularly between storage and memory. Most of the loading in an NLE is concerned with video files which you won't be storing on your SSD anyway. In fact if you did it would slow performance because large files requiring sustained throughput do not play to the SSDs strengths. They are actually faster from HDD.

So in short, I'd put your OS, key utilities and favourite games on the SSD, everything else on HDD.
 
DDirector said:
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I just tried installing Premiere & Photoshop onto 'C:\Program Files' but it is saying that "download may fail due to restrictive access privilages. Please select a different folder"
Im lost... That is where it should be installed, right?
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I presume you are installing with Administrator access...

The folder should be C:\Program Files\Adobe\Premiere or something like that, you may be asking it to install in the actual Program Files folder
Alternately if the installer adds the other folders automatically it may be a typo, try a backslash: C:\Program Files\

Also Windows 7 has two program files folders, one has '(x86)' on the end and is supposed to denote 32-bit programs. That said, I don't think Windows cares. I've mis-installed without issue.
 
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