My thoughts after moving to Premiere CS6 from Vegas....

Sithxace

Sithxace

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Because of the constant crashing when color correcting, I too on a wedding film project using premier pro cs6. While theres things i like about premiere, no way I would leave Vegas. Heres my two cents...

Pros:
1. I love how you cane easily just drag the box around clips and move them. (i know you can in vegas but you have to switch tools.
2. If you know after effects shortcuts and interface, premiere is almost the same.
3. I LOVE the ability to drag clips or tracks into after effects with the dynamic link, so powerful.
4. Sequences are so powerful, something I wish vegas had, the ability to have multiple sequences in premiere and switch between them.
5. I like the way the audio level keyframing is for each individual clip instead of the track long keyframing in vegas.
6. Being able to scrub through the track fast with the audio playing no matter how fast your moving is neat.
7. The media previewing is awesome, just move the mouse or drag the bar on the icon.

Cons:
1. I hate the transition/fade tool, love being able to be quick by just dragging a clip over another. I like vegas where you can quickly visually see what kind of fade the clip is fading out too.
2. I hate how you cant rearrange the tracks, so if i need to have all clips on track 2 above clips on track 3, i have to literally drag them to a new track above.
3. a HUGE con is not being able too apply effects to a track, makes it a nightmare if i have hundreds of clips with different color balances throughout the track, i dont wanna have to copy and paste an effect to each one then find out i wanna adjust a little so remove all effects n then repeat. UGHHHH Nesting the clips can work but a pain if suddenly you wanan re adjust specific clips.
4. No ability that I see to create effect presets and just apply those or even packages to clips.
5. No solo button (maybe a shortcut?) to just solo a audio track or video track.
6. Again with the track problem, no ability to adjust audio level to entire track if need be. Its a pain having to redo every audio keyframe for that track.
7. I hate that extra step having to click the track header to select it to be able to paste clips to it. i liked being able to just clip the track anywhere. Saves you that extra half second.

i did finish the project but because of these issues, and maybe some solutions or things i dont know about but all have caused me valuable time doing. Its all about whats the quickest.



Id love everybodies 2 cents if they agree or disagree with me.
 
#3 - Use an Adjustment Layer to apply FX to any track and tracks under neath it. ( A la photoshop or AEF). You can the adjust the individual clips as well by applying additional FX to them.

#4 - Create an Effect and save as a preset is simple. Look further ( User Manual / Help File). Apply to clip or clips/

#5 - Audio tracks have solo buttons on the Mixer. Nothing like that for Video. Achieve using the "eyeball" ( and Shift-Click)

#6 - use the audio Mixer (including automation mix controls)

#7 Leave all tracks selected and you can paste anywhere. Use the Shortcut key for ASll Tracks or Shift Click
 
the issue i see so far with the adjustment layer you mentioned is if i have multiple scenes that are sparadic throughout the project, the adjustment layer from a higher track will effect lower tracks when there are no clips that the adjustment layer is for there.
 
I haven't exactly moved, but acquired Premiere. I'm currently using both but find the Premiere workflow to be a lot smoother and advanced. A big feature I like about Premiere that isn't in Vegas is the ability to instantly change workspace to color grading or effects.
 
Ewan, what I do is create custom workspaces. Ill adjust the windows and then save layout as under i think edit menu. Even with Premiere's setups, I still like to tweak windows to my liking.
 
Sithxace said:
the issue i see so far with the adjustment layer you mentioned is if i have multiple scenes that are sparadic throughout the project, the adjustment layer from a higher track will effect lower tracks when there are no clips that the adjustment layer is for there.
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Adjustment Layer affects tracks below it. Put tracks that need it below, tracks that don't above.

I've been learning Premiere for 2-3 months and am constantly finding great workflow tips. I

think once you get a chance to read more tutorials/watch videos/etc., you will find a lot of fast editing tools built in the you might not yet see.

Different editing work spaces, default transitions, trim windows, keyboard shortcuts, etc.

Good luck!
Michael
 
I am in a similar boat, having purchase CS6 and simply not made the change yet. Right now I am still trying to catch up on a bunch of projects that were edited poorly by a part time worker. Once I get past these projects, I will be in the editing hole, but slowly clawing my way out. The thought of switching NLEs is giving me a big headache, but so is Vegas 11. It is by far the single most unstable program I have ever used in my life. So much so that I am now using Vegas 10 for all projects.

Those of you who have made the switch from Vegas to CS5/6, how much time did you have to put in before all those easy little Vegas things became second nature to you in the Adobe workflow? The idea of using a 'tool' to do fades drives me up the wall. Vegas is just such a great editing NLE for straight video and audio. The fact that I am neurotic about audio and spend almost as much time on that as video, scares me since Adobe isn't nearly as robust.

I plan on making the jump whether I like it or not, this Winter, if not earlier. Are there any online courses that would be helpful or do I just need to start a project in it and just wrestle with Premiere and AE for a bit?
 
All kinds of online tools available. Start at the Adobe site.

I would recommend the Adobe "classroom in a Book" series. They walk you through demo projects. You can "zoom" through because yopu knwo the concepts, but they have specific workflow suggestions taht will help a lot.

Buy them at Peach Pit this Labor Day when they have 35% to 50% off. then you will get 15 days free access to their entire online library.

I spent about $200 for 8 books over Memorial Day. That comes to an average $25 per book. I am making a commitment to learning the suite:

Classroom in a Book: Premiere, After Effects, Photoshop, Audition, Lightroom, Illustrator

Advanced: Photoshop, Lightroom.


There are some "war stories" from different people switching platforms at Creative Cow. The bottom line weems to be 99% positive, after 2-3 weeks of transition.


If you are crashing it sounds like it is time to jump! Figure out the keyboard efficient workflow and you will be fine. Doing a rough cut with transitions is very easy. Basic grading in Premiere is easy. Multi camera, Warp Stabilizer, etc. are not hard. Performance is very good to excellent for most people, especially if you have an i7, 16Gb of RAM, and an OK graphics card (CUDA cores enabled.)

I have heard excellent things about the Adobe audio tools too. There is quite a bit in Premiere, and Audition gets very good reviews. I can't speak to that, haven't needed it yet.

Good luck!
Michael
 
unadog said:
All kinds of online tools available. Start at the Adobe site.

I would recommend the Adobe "classroom in a Book" series. They walk you through demo projects. You can "zoom" through because yopu knwo the concepts, but they have specific workflow suggestions taht will help a lot.

Buy them at Peach Pit this Labor Day when they have 35% to 50% off. then you will get 15 days free access to their entire online library.

I spent about $200 for 8 books over Memorial Day. That comes to an average $25 per book. I am making a commitment to learning the suite:

Classroom in a Book: Premiere, After Effects, Photoshop, Audition, Lightroom, Illustrator

Advanced: Photoshop, Lightroom.


There are some "war stories" from different people switching platforms at Creative Cow. The bottom line weems to be 99% positive, after 2-3 weeks of transition.


If you are crashing it sounds like it is time to jump! Figure out the keyboard efficient workflow and you will be fine. Doing a rough cut with transitions is very easy. Basic grading in Premiere is easy. Multi camera, Warp Stabilizer, etc. are not hard. Performance is very good to excellent for most people, especially if you have an i7, 16Gb of RAM, and an OK graphics card (CUDA cores enabled.)

I have heard excellent things about the Adobe audio tools too. There is quite a bit in Premiere, and Audition gets very good reviews. I can't speak to that, haven't needed it yet.

Good luck!
Michael
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I appreciate the encouraging words. If Adobe's course is the tops, then I will go with that. I have heard others mention Lydia, so forth, but I have never taken an online course for anything. I just fear fighting the program, rather than dedicating some time to just plain learning the new workflow. My workstations are beasts. Latest i7 6 core, 64GB ram, Galaxy GTX 670, liquid cooled, 10k veliciraptor drives, so forth. The mercury engine will love my build.
 
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