My 24P DVD looks like crap on the big screen

Norm Sanders

Norm Sanders

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Well, okay not THE big screen, but a 61 inch widescreen. I've got a DVD that I rendered through DVD Architect 3.0.

It's a multi million dollar home I was hired to put together a high end tour of. Shot most everything in 24PA, brought it into Vegas on a 24P timeline, and rendered out to a DVD Architect template 24P Widescreen template.

Then rendered that directly through DVD Architect. What have I done wrong to get this thing to look so "stuttery" on screen?

Would the fact that I ripped the menu out of the default pop-up have anything to do with it? In otherwords, I dropped the file DIRECTLY onto the disk, above the placement of the menu (deleted the menu folder, etc.) so that when the disk is inserted, it begins to play the film immediately.

Need to know if there's something I should be fixing before I burn off 25 of these. Thanks in advance for any input.
 
I think instead of messing with the folders once they're made, you should just make a Single Movie DVD.

Now, I don't know if that caused your stutter. It looks like you followed the right steps for making a 24p DVD, so I'm wondering -- was the stutter there before, but only less noticeable because you viewed on a much smaller screen?
 
Most likely the latter, and not sure why it's so visible (to me at least, not my wife). The other thing that's WAY more visible is any slight movements I had with the SteadyTracker Extreme ... Watching it on the big screen nearly makes me sick & want to fall out of my chair.

Poor folks, feel bad for charging them what I did. Kind of. :evil:
 
have you tried looking at the video through a big screen from vegas before going to dvd architect?

having the movie play right away shouldn't affect the outcome of the video.

also, im curious to see whether your dvd player supports 2:3 pulldown.
 
One possibility is the encoding options you set in Architect. You may want to lower the bitrate, maybe to about 6mbps, and see if that does it. If it only stutters during scenes with high motion or dissolves, it could very well be that the bitrate is a little too high for your DVD player to handle.
Maybe try using CBR (constant bitrate) and set to about 6mbps. just an idea- may not be applicable to your problem.
 
rpster88, there's really no way for me to get Vegas to play on my big screen, as they're on opposite ends of the house, and different levels. The DVD player SHOULD support 2:3 pulldown, as it's less than a year old. I tested it on a different DVD player, and smaller TV (32 inch), and I still felt it was jittery.

Damon C, I'll have to test that out on a different disk now ... I hadn't heard back from anyone last night, and since my wife wasn't noticing the issues I was seeing (she never does though), I'm hoping the realtor's happy with it as well.

Here's the link to the project online: www.eefilm.com/impact/tours/averyhall/dunthorpe/dunthorpe.html
 
Well . . .

There's also something to be said for the idea that when you create something, sometimes you can only see the "bad" stuff.
 
I watched the footage and it looks good. Good job. I'll buy the house and pay cash... Let's start the bidding at $57.97.
 
Envision said:
...The DVD player SHOULD support 2:3 pulldown, as it's less than a year old. I tested it on a different DVD player, and smaller TV (32 inch), and I still felt it was jittery....www.eefilm.com/impact/tours/averyhall/dunthorpe/dunthorpe.html
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I don't know Vegas but I'm confused ... if you shot 24pA captured correctly and edited on 23.98 timeline then exported a 23.98 file (not 29.97) and then made a 24p DVD with that --- then there should be no pull down for the DVD to support ... it would be 24 frames presented as 24 frames ... ? :huh:
 
You're correct. A DVD player will ADD pulldown if playing to an NTSC display. If playing to a progressive display (and set to output progressive), it will output pure 24p.
 
if you played back a sample of your original footage- from your camera straight to your widescreen, does that footage look good?

Perhaps the DVD players output is set to non-progressive. When I change mine to progressive, it goes crazy since I have no progressive monitor.

I made a 24p dvd using the same whitepaper (and procedure you did) from Sony, and my DVD looked awesome.
 
Yankee, I loved your post ... made me laugh out loud here in my office.

I'm pretty sure I've got everything set to progressive on those things, but I'll check them again. Good idea to run the tape direct from my DVX through the TV to see if it still looks good/bad, etc. That said, however, I'm thinking the DVX will play it back interlaced, wouldn't it, since it's originally recorded as 29.97, but with flags (or something like that)? Also, I don't know if analog connections to my HDTV will allow it to recognize progressive or not?
 
If you play 24pA footage directly from the tape, you might see stutter that's not actually going to be there. 24pA pulldown, when played as 60i, looks more stuttery than normal pulldown when played from the tape.

It's completely interlaced on tape; it's thoroughly 60 fields per second. Frame 1 is split into two fields; frame 2 is split into 3; frame 3 is split into 3; frame 4 is split into 2 -- and so on.
 
So, basically two frames are played at 2/60 = 1/30 sec, the next two frames are played at 3/60 = 1/20 sec. , the next two at 1/30 again. That means every ten fields (1/6 of a second), the playback jumps up and down in the speed. No wonder it's 'jumpy'.:shocked:

As David said, that should only be noticeable when you play 24PA directly from the tape - once you capture it, it's a smooth 24 fps (23.98 actually).
 
SteadyTracker Xtreme.
If you don't fall off your chair watching footage shot with it,---your arm will fall off after using it to shoot.
For use only with very short shots using DVX.
Lessen yawl got Popeye arms!
 
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