Music Copyright

Noel Evans

Noel Evans

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Sorry just wanted to throw something in the air for the sake of it... I see an amazing number of "independant" home productions with no music credits whatsoever.... do people understand music copyright law? If you film your mum doing the washing and put nirvana as the soundtrack then publish it on the web and have no authorised use for that track for public broadcasting ... YOU ARE IN BREACH OF COPYRIGHT LAW.

Sorry to rant but I think people that do it are in the same bracket as people who use pirate softeware etc. God forbid any one that practices this and then makes a big production movie only to have 30 per cent revenue loss due to pirating.... I can hear the piracy screams already.

RESPECT COPYRIGHT .......... ITS OUR FUTURE.

RANT OVER

SORRY.... wrong place to post... can admin please move it for me :)
 
jpbankesmercer said:
All I'm hearing is the Laurel and Hardy theme tune..
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I sure hope you acquired the rights for that song before you played it in your head.
 
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<- do you think the alien got clearance for the tune he's dancing to?
 
ncje,

i certainly understand where your coming from. i definitely dont like piracy or copyright infringment either. even our DVXUser festival here doesnt allow unlicensed music.. because that would make the festival illigitemate and web balther rather than a real filmmaking contest. but there are some few things that i dont think the bands or the record lables care about. .. not that that makes it ok. but just saying that perhaps you may be coming off as a little overzealous is all.

anyway, now i'll go off on a rant of my own and just give some advice for anyone who cares. generally people who use other peoples stuff without permission dont get very far anyway. look at any persons work thats gone or going somewhere. its all original.. or fully licensed. there are those that slip through,. but thats like sneaking a guin into an airport. if your caught pulling that .. it certainly doesnt look good.. I personally believe that people who have a right mindset about it all, and do everything by the book have a real leg up in the industry. they come up with stuff thats actually fresh and creative, and develop a real business mindset that helps them tremendously along the way. even if they are just licensing the music.. when its done the right way .. people respect you.. and when the respect you.. theyll work with you or do business with you. .. and when your mind is working in the way that says.. "do it the right way.. do it legit".. people arent likely to question your integrity or your work ethic.. they talk to you or are around you and think.. "grade a class act." ..even if you have to refuse to do something for them because its not legit. i just had to do that for a client .. actually 2 this year.. one i told them that IMHO they couldnt /sholdnt sell something because it was in breach of copyright law. .. the other i just had to tell them they couldnt use some major materials in the project because they did not have the rights, and could not obtain permission. we worked around it , and neither of the clients were happy about that at all. but, they both respected me for letting them know... and liked the project in the end ..and business is better than ever.
doing stuff the illigit way just comes off as "amature" being written all over it. its really hard to step into anythig professional when your not thinking like an actual professional. "professional" isnt the work you do as much as how you conduct your business. you can be a pro.. and stink at what you do. you can be an amature and be great.. but people like to hire and work with pros.. ..anyway.. all just IMHO. take it or leave it..
 
The thing that bugs me is when someone comes along and says "Hey check out my demo reel" then you follow the link and they've used Coldplay or some other popular music to edit it to. What's up with that?
 
Sirius_Doggy said:
The thing that bugs me is when someone comes along and says "Hey check out my demo reel" then you follow the link and they've used Coldplay or some other popular music to edit it to. What's up with that?
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Exactly the kind of thing I am talking about. And to others... sorry I have a corporate background so tend not to view things in degrees of illegality. Of course I personally could not give two hoots if someone shot some amateur home video with Nirvana as the track and then broadcast it. I was simply stating that as a fact. My concern lies in what people sometimes produce as thier body of work.

P.S. I bought a new pair of pants as well. :beer:
 
first of all, I cannot imagine why he does not use free sounds&music. the internet is full with free music.
secondly I suppose that there is another way: he put his production on the internet, but there are not any links to film from the website, so he can tell, his friends "hey watch my new film, it is htttp://www.somethingulike.com/onlyForMyFriendsAndNotForPublishing/film.wmv" so later he can legalise his production, and make some links, but nobody is able to watch the film before it.
 
I hate to get into discussion like this when my initial knee-jerk response is, "Lighten up, dude".

Still, the way I've always looked at it as is this: While I'm not denying the legality of using that "awesome" Vanilla Ice track in the short I just made with my friends, I'm probably still going to do it. Not because I hate the law, the recording industry and above all, Vanilla Ice, but because for some unholy reason Ice Ice Baby fits the crap I just put together with my buddies better than something I could have composed myself.

Now, if I were making an honest to god true short that I wanted to enter in festivals or try to sell online, you can bet your ass that I would create original music, or at the very least find music I was legally able to use.

As I'm thinking about this, it occurs to me that the issue seems very much like getting permits for specific locations. The only difference I can see is that more people here will tell you to "steal" shots than will tell you to "steal" music.

Perhaps I'm looking at this from the wrong angle, but to me it seems somewhat the same. Go ahead and tear apart my post if that's what is deserved of me. Haha...
 
kai said:
I'm just hearing violins on my end... sad ones... with tears.
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Good luck with that.

Im a little surprised however in general by some of the responses, I guess even in conjecture I was expected some more mature approaches. The point was to get some debate going, I was interested in where others view the line should be drawn. I take what I do very seriously in all aspects, I wont apologise for that.

Yeah true true, looking back I kind of slammed the kid stuff which is hardly significant anyway. But meh what are you going to do, I wanted to push the point as stated.

Wivellicious whilst I can see why you would say that my perception is stealing shots on public property that is in a country neigh a town even you live and pay taxes is not quite the same.

i certainly understand where your coming from. i definitely dont like piracy or copyright infringment either. even our DVXUser festival here doesnt allow unlicensed music
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Please dont get me wrong I was not implying that anyone here is guilty of it :thumbsup:
 
I think some of the issue here is that WE are also content creators, and as such perhaps should have some interest in protecting the rights of content creators.

One thinks of asking the question, "how would you feel if someone took some of your video content and used it without crediting you?" However, for some of us small folks (I guess the same ones who can't afford cost/effort/etc. of properly licensing video, the answer might indeed be "Cool!". Exposure is exposure...

However, there's a middle ground of sorts, at least for use of COMPOSITIONS (I assume something similar could work for use of recordings). Write a letter to the publisher stating your intent to use some piece of music in some way, and pay mechanical royalties on distributed copies. As you're small potatoes, they will likely never write back to you. If you ever actually sell any copies of your product, you can pay them the few cents per copy you need to... but since they haven't responded to you, there's no clear schedule for this. Then you can credit appropriately and professionally, and be sorta covered.
 
ncje, the problem isn’t that people don’t agree with you; it’s that you came in with guns blazing on a topic that’s been well-covered numerous times on this board. You’re new to the place; I’d suggest you get to know it before opening up like that -- get to know us and where we stand on it, and we can get to know you, and what you mean by it.

Then , we won’t feel like you’re attacking, and you won’t need to feel defensive.
 
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