Munich

The Racial Slurs Were Made By The Public In Those Days And Believe Me I Was At The End Of Those Slurs I Was Making A Point To Yas Film Clip Which Is Good To Point Out The Travesty Of Some Writers Riding On The Hate Wagon! Now If That Doesn't Explain What I Said Then You Should No I Won't Go There. Just Grow Up And Live A Little Huh
 
well shot, as expected. ended too fast as it tried to tie in everything in that conversation with Ephraim. My buddies were pointing out the twin towers didn't go up until '78- but im sure the director put it in there for the message. It WAS corny. but it was kinda of a reminder too. got a bit sensitive at times because well, it is a sensitive subject. It was entertaining just until towards the end... the whole conlusion of the film was blah for me-
dont get me wrong. it was brilliant and well made. Just wasn't entertained and lost the momentum towards the end I thought.

and please, it was not better than King Kong. you've got to be kidding me.
 
I'd give King Kong 3 stars out of 4 at best. It had the best special effects I've ever seen--I'll give it that, but the screenplay was awful and the direction was merely good, and with some glaring flaws. Maybe I just don't get Peter Jackson. I didn't really like Lord of the Rings, either.
 
kimko - i agree with what you say. As a great man said - The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people are so full of doubt.

- Bertrand Russell
 
Well you guys have got me itching to see this. It's interesting to see how some directors experience an arc in their work. You can pretty much divide Speilbergs stuff into two phases: Before or After Schindler's List. I like that some directors evolve and change while still retaining their signature style.

BTW did anyone see Sword of Gideon? It was an HBO TV movie from '86 that tells the same story. It's been a few years since I've seen it, but I remember it being pretty good.
 
kimko said:
oh by the way YAS that was a good clip it pisses me off that Chuck would say something that he doesn't believe in. because he is a very nice human being.what he said and him being the "good guy" is uncalled for.he had the power to say he wouldn't say that, so i wonder now, of course i'd have to see the whole movie to see what context it was said hmmmmm.... i guess i'll never know
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Kimko - do you know Chuck?
 
dvpixl said:
My buddies were pointing out the twin towers didn't go up until '78- but im sure the director put it in there for the message.
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well, it starts off in '72 but (correct me if i'm wrong) we aren't really given an exact date as to when the operation took place, and it may have lasted some years. we see his child at the end and she looks to be around 3-4 yrs old?
so say the operation took place a couple years after Munich, then add the time it took to reach the final scene...could end up being 1978.

i agree that he put it in there for message. I had a couple different reactions to it. For one, it asks the question "is revenge the answer?" referring to the 9/11 attacks.
My second reaction may be a little bit more out there, but it seemed like it was refferring to the U.S. breaking away with Israel. Bana had to make a choice and he chose America over going back to Israel, while his boss declined his offer to break bread and they go their seperate ways. It gave me a sense of "should the U.S. stop giving support to Israel?"

either way i loved the film, always good to have films that make you think.:thumbsup:
 
I just got back from "Munich" a little over an hour ago. WOW. I loved it. I like the darker Spielberg. Movies for thinking adults. I can't wait for the DVD.
 
I watched this back to back with "Paradise Now"... that's an experience I'd recommend to anyone. Maybe I need to rewatch Syriana now for a complete Cinema '05 study on Arab Relations. A lot of damn fine films coming out on this subject. Good to see.

Munich was absolutely brilliant. It was sprawling and left loose ends, sure, but I think that's exactly what should be done in a movie of this sort. I have to admire the ambition and the unblinking resolve of this film. It walks a very delicate line without pulling any punches. I haven't seen King Kong yet, and I will, but I'm shocked to hear people put the two movies in the same sentence.
 
You know not to start any further arguments but I kind of got the impression that he was blaming these attitudes and mindsets for the towers falling.

When Bana asks him to Break bread and the subsequent denial. Its showing the inability for peace when human beings are incapable of letting go of their need for revenge.

I don't think it was so much a condemnation of actions that America is currently engaged in so much as a condemnation of the blood spilt injustly by any nation.

On a much sadder note I was appalled by the behavior of certain members of the audience when watching this film. I saw it in Brooklyn so if you're familiar with current trends in New York City that should tell you something of what I'm talking about. Anyway the glee and applause I heard at certain points of the movie drove home the point that I feel Spielberg was trying to make. With minds and hearts like these there can be no peace. Sadly i feel that message was lost on the target audience.

And on a side note I have to honestly say I felt this was a much much better movie then Kong. I just wasn't a fan and would give it 2 out of 4. And those 2 stars are solely for the gorilla and andy Sedarkis who carried and salvaged the second half of that picture. I was falling in and out of sleep for the first hour and 20 minutes or so. If that flick had been 2 hours I probably would have loved it but there was just not enough going on to keep me entertained for 3 hours. In comparison with Munich I didn't check my watch once. I was enthralled and on the edge of my seat for the entire runtime. That's why it gets my vote for best picture i have seen this year.

Kudos to Spielberg for finding his bold voice after all these years.
 
Wow... So who kidnapped the maker of Terminal and Jurassic Park and replaced him with the genius that made Munich? Just kidding. There seems to be ALOT of Spielberg fans on this site, many of which know alot more about film than myself. That said, I've never been a fan. At all. Even his better "serious" movies I've found a little too digestible, softened up, or pat. (Actually, I've never seen Private Ryan because I lost all interest in Spielberg by that time. Yes, I'm aware that dissolves any remaining credibility I might have had for some of you. For what it's worth, Munich has inspired me to put Ryan in my Netflix queue)

So, I've been converted. Hell, I might even give War of the Worlds a shot. I absolutely was blown away by Munich. It was what I hoped Syrianna would be (but fell short of in my opinion.) I pray to god this will be a trend in American big-budget filmmaking. Stunningly shot - an absolute homage to 70's filmmaking in both form and content. The 70's aesthetic didn't seem kitschy either -- I thought it was beautifully implemented. Most of the characters were complex and not just cardboard cutouts for Political Mentality A Character or Emotionally Conflicted B Character.

Props to Spielberg. Picture of the Year as far as I'm concerned. Please just be an executive producer for Indiana Jones 4 and keep making interesting, meaningful films like this one.
 
The over exposure or wash of the film was certainly a 70's flashback, I agree (it was a pity that the projectionist was on crack or asleep in the cinema here and half the film was out of focus). It reminded me of the 8mm and 16mm films my father would shoot and show when we were children. The overexposure caught naturally by my father, way ahead of his time obviously...heh. Weird memories of splicing 8mm film as little kid on the kitchen table drifted up during the screening....anyway... I liked certain shots in particular. The hold on Lynn Cohen (who was playing Golda Meir) in the conference room as she made her speech was good, her solid delivery held this up. The train station conversation seen from below was an unusual shot that appealed to me. Just to name a couple.

The ability to dress the street sets in the cars of the time period (not a car expert, so don't growl if they were not period exact) blended the experience for me exceptionally well.

I'm not the biggest Spielberg fan, and this film did not add or detract from my opinion of him, but I learn something from every good film I watch, and this was no exception.
 
This movie was great and kept me on the edge of my seat the whole way. It really shed light on some of the Emotional struggles of our " Modern day warfare" and the effect it has on society and the people that are directly involved
 
The Machinist said:
You know not to start any further arguments but I kind of got the impression that he was blaming these attitudes and mindsets for the towers falling.

When Bana asks him to Break bread and the subsequent denial. Its showing the inability for peace when human beings are incapable of letting go of their need for revenge.

I don't think it was so much a condemnation of actions that America is currently engaged in so much as a condemnation of the blood spilt injustly by any nation.

On a much sadder note I was appalled by the behavior of certain members of the audience when watching this film. I saw it in Brooklyn so if you're familiar with current trends in New York City that should tell you something of what I'm talking about. Anyway the glee and applause I heard at certain points of the movie drove home the point that I feel Spielberg was trying to make. With minds and hearts like these there can be no peace. Sadly i feel that message was lost on the target audience.

And on a side note I have to honestly say I felt this was a much much better movie then Kong. I just wasn't a fan and would give it 2 out of 4. And those 2 stars are solely for the gorilla and andy Sedarkis who carried and salvaged the second half of that picture. I was falling in and out of sleep for the first hour and 20 minutes or so. If that flick had been 2 hours I probably would have loved it but there was just not enough going on to keep me entertained for 3 hours. In comparison with Munich I didn't check my watch once. I was enthralled and on the edge of my seat for the entire runtime. That's why it gets my vote for best picture i have seen this year.

Kudos to Spielberg for finding his bold voice after all these years.
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nuff said, i don't need to add to that.munich that is because i didn't see KONG
 
personally i think it should win best director and best picture... i loved the look and everything about this film. it is just a great film
 
ravinesedge said:
personally i think it should win best director and best picture... i loved the look and everything about this film. it is just a great film
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I'm with you on that. All the Spielberg doubters need to see this. :thumbsup:
 
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