Multitrack Editing

Daygola814

Daygola814

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I'm not a Premiere user but I'm thinking about switching because of the superb integration between products in CS3. My question is this: I was wondering if you could open Adobe Premiere audio files in Audition (I know it's not included in CS3) as a multitrack project the way you can with Final Cut Pro and Soundtrack Pro.

Thanks for the help.

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Paul- I don't know about the multi-track editing part of your question however "Audition" has basically be re-named "Soundbooth" and is part of the new CS3 Production Premium toolset.

Pretty much all of the modules (programs) in the new suite can talk to each other, if not directly then thru the supplied Adobe Bridge.
 
Damn, I really wish you could do that in Audition. That would be awesome. I really don't get why Adobe didn't implement that type of feature, as Audition has multitrack capabilities. It would just make it easier to edit/clean up dialogue.
 
yeah, you cant open up all your audio tracks as seperate tracks in audition, but you could just export each audio track on its own and import it as a different track within audition (with the video window on so you can see synch as well) to work on it and then reimport it into ppro. the new soundbooth doesnt seem to have any soprt of multitrack capeabilities from what i can tell so far. perhaps im just missing somthing simple, but ive only been able to work on one file at any given time so far. i havent played with it too much yet though.
 
Looking at the Adobe website, Soundbooth is pretty much a watered down version of Audition. Its just focused to have better integration with the video production software. Where Audtion is still geared toward overall multi-track audio production. I've being using Audtion 2.0 i'm going to download the trial of Soundbooth to see what it like. It does look to have a lot of plusses with it like the music tracks and the online sound effect library.
 
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I DLed the trial version of Soundbooth and while I love it (it's super intuitive for video editors and super easy to use), I think Audition is better. Audition has multitrack abilities and Soundbooth doesn't. I'm a little confused as to why Adobe didn't integrate a feature to export your audio tracks from Premiere into Audition as a multitrack project. The software can do multitrack, so why not include that feature. That would basically sell me 100% on Adobe CS. But I guess, if you look at it that way... there really is no other downfall to me. With the way all the programs integrate with each other, it's simply amazing.

I do find, however, the noise removal tools in Audition to be better than those in Soundbooth as Soundbooth has a slider to reduce noise and Audition not only has a slider but some kind of graph thing (I have no idea what it's called offhand) to fine tune the adjustment to get it just right so your dialogue doesn't sound weird. But Soundbooth is damn awesome. It's so intuitive and simple to use.

Man... I really wish ONE solution/suite had the following features... and I'd be sold 100%.

-Visual FX/Motion Graphics abilities like those found in After Effects or Shake.

-An awesome color corrector(like AE can be) with a 3 window color corrector showing the cut before, the current cut, and the cut after. (Like Avid or the stand alone version of Color Finesse v2.)

-A multitrack audio editor with all the fun tools like noise removal, etc.

But that's just my personal preference.
 
yeah, after upgrading to CS3 i was really wishing that i hadnt gotten rid of audition becuase i need a multitracker. but after i thought about it for a while i realized that PPRO CS3 has most of the same general abilities that audition did as far as mutitrack recording anyway. and for the advanced tools you really only use them on singular files at a time anyway (for video editing mostly).. like noise profile capture and removal.. you wouldnt blanket apply that to a track or clips because it will vary between certain takes. ect. ..it was always somthing which i applied on a clip to clip basis which i can still do by editing sigular A/V clips in soundbooth from PPRO.s "edit in soundbooth command. so really , now i just created a multitrack audio recording workspace in PPRO, where its layed out like i previously had audition layed out, and do all the same stuff. the VST filters are the same anyway between the two programs, and if you need a little extra tweaking you can always use nice 3rd party VST effects/filters or just edit a track in soundbooth, but i really havent had the need to do so yet anyway since when studio multitracking, your really not dealing with noise issues and such since its mostly all direct digital IO or direct plugged analog, and a controlled micing environment, so anything i need as far as effects or tweaking is most always easily done within PPRO. anyway ..i guess it just dawned on me that PPRO is a capeable mutitrack audio recorder/editor as much as it is a video editor. plus its nice to have a single program with a common interface and tools that i can create a film in, or the score to the film on a seperate timline with a different workspace. then you can just nest your audio timeline into the video one, and do a single mixing for your final output. its actually really really nice to do it all in the one app and now im wondering why i didnt do it that way before.
 
Unless they've changed it for CS3 Premiere's audio tracks are frame accurate not sample accurate as they are in Audition (or Vegas which started as an Audio app). If you do music editing for your projects frame accurate just doesn't cut it. You need sample accurate capabilities.
 
rsbush said:
Unless they've changed it for CS3 Premiere's audio tracks are frame accurate not sample accurate as they are in Audition (or Vegas which started as an Audio app).
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Not so. Click the fly-out menu (little right-pointing triangle in a circle) at the top-right of the source or record monitor, and select "Audio Units". The frame numbers in timecode displays will change to samples.
 
I stand corrected. Cool! You can choose it from the timeline pop out also.
 
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So can it be said that it might be prudent to have both Soundbooth and Audition? One for stand alone audio work and the other for video/film audio work. I DLed the trial version of Soundbooth and one of the coolest features to me is the resource thing with SFX and Music, but I do have access to a couple of SFX and Music libraries outside of Soundbooth.
 
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Soundbooth is ok for quick fixes, but is NOWHERE close to the Power Audition carries !!!!

I too wish that someone would right a plug-in (Cause it ain't looking like Adobe;s gonna do it) to move between Premiere and Audition (for audio) the way you can move between Premiere and After Effects (for picture)

In AE the Premiere timeline is preserved, so why not do it for the audio with a multitrack audio timeline ?

- Derrick
 
Yes... that would be awesome. I wish that was a feature. That would be totally awesome. That would make CS3 almost perfect for me. Then all I'd need is a three screen color corrector and I'd be set lol. Too bad you can't do that in After Effects.... However, you can take snapshots and compare so I guess it's not the worst thing in the world...

But yes, having my audio from my Premiere timeline imported into Audition with their places intact would be such an awesome feature.... :crybaby:
 
by three screen do you mean a seperate monitor for each color channel? you can open three monitor windows, and set each one to only display one color channel if you want.
 
no. three screen means that you have the clip before open and the clip after open. that way you can compair what your correcting with what it will be cut into. this means that you can create a more consistanly corrected timeline.

jay
 
ah yes. that would be nice. you can open up a reference monitor if you want and unlink it to the program monitor, and then you can compare the previous and following clips to the current one up in the program monitor, but only one at a time. so you cant see both before and after at the same time, but you can see before, and then after. better than nothing i guess. :)
 
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Yeah that definitely is better than nothing. I LOVE how AVID has that but I'm not so sure I love editing on with Avid as much as I like editing with other systems. But... COLOR FINESSE has a standalone application that can import Premiere projects or something... but it has that 3 windows feature. Too bad After Effects doesn't have that feature... that would be awesome, considering AE can do some crazy stuff when it comes to color correcting (power masking or power windows... whatever you want to call it... and a bunch of other great things. Damn I love After Effects!)
 
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