Multicam Help

Moog

Moog

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Hi guys,

I've just been thinking about the Multicam system in FCP, as I just shot a gig on the weekend.

Does anyone know if its possible to use a particular TIMELINE as one 'angle' instead of a clip.

Most of my footage is broken up (as we had to cut out a couple of songs) - and also the P2 import over a couple of 16Gb cards broke up anyway. So I can't just set up the markers on the 3 camera's clips. So I'm looking for alternatives.

I suppose I could synch all the timelines up, and render each one out to an uncompressed file - but that would mean that I'd have to have two extra hours of footage. Not ideal.

Does anyone know anything about this ?

cheers

moog
 
Moog said:
Hi guys,

Does anyone know if its possible to use a particular TIMELINE as one 'angle' instead of a clip.
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That won't work. I think you have two options:

1. exporting each timeline (using exactly the same codec settings as the original footage)
to make a clip, then reimporting it so that it can be a clip (angle) in a multiclip.

2. doing more than one synch point, i.e. for each song or section of footage
that is continuous, find the synch points for each angle and multiclip-edit that
section.

I hope that helps.

buchla
 
yeah - that's what I was afraid of -- I don't want to have to generate huge extra chunks of footage...

maybe I'll try and stick that idea in the FCP suggestion box...

Your second suggestion... can I make multiple synch points on the same track?
Example - One of my clips is just one long segment. The other two are broken up, to different degrees and in different places.

Can I set say, 6 markers on the one long complete cip, and six individual ones on the broken clips ??
 
If you need one long clip...why dont you just make a quicktime reference file. its just like rendering out one big clip, except is liek a couple of meg or something...It just points to all the other files, like asequence in FCP, but a movie file.

When you want to export it just do export to quicktime and uncheck "make self contained". Dont know if this would work for multiclip, but its worth a shot.
 
Moog said:
Your second suggestion... can I make multiple synch points on the same track?
Example - One of my clips is just one long segment. The other two are broken up, to different degrees and in different places.

Can I set say, 6 markers on the one long complete ciip, and six individual ones on the broken clips ??
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Here's a technique that should work, I am assuming that you are syncing
with in-points rather than timecode, but it should work either way.

You can have several multiclips in one sequence. So start by
opening your long clip in the viewer, place markers
at the good places to go from one multiclip to the next (between
songs, for example). Use this as the reference for your whole project.

Back into the browser, right-click (or cntrl-click)
your long clip and choose "Duplicate as New Master Clip"
several times. This will give you virtual copies (without creating disk files).
Name them according to some logical system, e.g. clip-01-A, clip-01-B, etc.

Open each of these clips in the viewer and set in and out points
based on the markers so that the copied clips--when edited together
in linear order--cover the entire original clip. (That is, clip-01-A's
in point is the beginning of clip-01. Its out point is the first marker
of clip-01. Then clip-01-B's in point is the first marker of clip-01,
and its out point is the second marker of clip-01. And so forth.)

Now let's say clip-02 overlaps clip-01-A and clip-01-B. Do the
"Duplicate as New Master Clip" trick with clip-02, and set in points
to line up with the corresponding clip-01-A and clip-01-B in points.

Select clip-01-A and clip-02-A, right-click (or cntrl-click)
and select "Make Multiclip". In the window select "Synchronize
using In Points". Repeat this procedure with clip-01-B and clip-02-B,
and all the other clips, depending on what coverage you have for each song.

Drag your multiclips to a sequence so that--edited together--
they cover the entire show. Now you have a different multiclip,
each with its own combination of clips, for each song.

Does that work for you?

Les
 
Wowzers - thanks Stuck - I read that late last night and it konda blew my brain.. heh heh - but I think I get what you mean now - good idea.

Now if only I could find the time to try some of these ideas out...grr...

:)
 
Glad you're staying up late :)

I forgot to mention that this system also makes it easy
to delete or rearrange songs, once you get it set up.

Now have some more tea and get to work!
Les
 
In case anyone comes searching on this thread for answers.

Annoyingly, I just can't find the time to try out stucks ingenious method. What I ended up doing was just manually synching up everything on my timeline and exporting them to 3 individual files. I made these into a multiclip.

Kinda what I was trying to avoid, but as the first time I've played with this, I found I just needed to get my head around the basics first.

It's a great system though, I'm really enjoying using it - it's creating some really interesting cuts that I probably wouldn't have selected if I was editing it 'normally' - so worth a try I say.

I'm going to submit fedback on the feature as it could be A LOT wasier to use - but hey, it's only its first time out, so I think we can forgive FCP.

thanks for all your help
 
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