Movie references in Kill Bill

Not sure what the point is here. Saying Tarantino remixes old films is like saying hip hop artists sample old pop music. It's what he does, and why people go see his films. He's not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. He's like Andy Warhol making art out of Campbell's Soup cans. Yeah it's a remix, but the entire point is that it's a remix.
 
Batutta said:
Not sure what the point is here. Saying Tarantino remixes old films is like saying hip hop artists sample old pop music. It's what he does, and why people go see his films. He's not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. He's like Andy Warhol making art out of Campbell's Soup cans. Yeah it's a remix, but the entire point is that it's a remix.
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Except in hip hop (and in all music) they are required by law to credit and pay royalists to the original artist.

I don't think Andy Warhol would have been nearly as successful today. Unless he had one bad ass legal team.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_"Hope"_poster
 
Batutta said:
Not sure what the point is here. Saying Tarantino remixes old films is like saying hip hop artists sample old pop music. It's what he does, and why people go see his films. He's not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. He's like Andy Warhol making art out of Campbell's Soup cans. Yeah it's a remix, but the entire point is that it's a remix.
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I doubt the majority of people who go see his films can even recognize his rips.

Tarantino is the perfect example for anyone who asks if film school is a good idea. You don't even need a high school education!
 
Jordan_S said:
That's like saying Einstein wouldn't watch TV or use a digital camera if he was alive now.
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I think you might be missing what I was trying to say. We live in a different time where everyone is hyper sensitive about infringement of intellectual property. We have become lawsuit trigger happy. It has nothing to do with with Warhol's talent or ability to market himself. To me, it has more to with the way our society has changed as a whole. Maybe the internet is to blame because of the instant accessibility of almost any form of art within seconds (legal or illegal). Or you could look at it the other way... If someone is violating your intellectual property it has become easier to find out who.

Then you just need a legal team to tie them up in the court system till they don't have a penny left.

And for the record I am not trying to say that there is anything wrong with what Tarantino does. I just felt like adding my 2 cents.
 
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RichardVClark said:
Except in hip hop (and in all music) they are required by law to credit and pay royalists to the original artist.

I don't think Andy Warhol would have been nearly as successful today. Unless he had one bad ass legal team.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_"Hope"_poster
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Yeah, Warhol would have been sued up the wazoo. As for Tarantino, for the most part he is taking the same ideas and reinterpreting them enough that legally they qualify as new work. If he was literally splicing old film clips together into something new, I guess that would be directly analagous to sampling music in hip hop. He does however liberally recycle clips from old fim scores into his work, and pays for rights and royalties on that one would presume...I previously made the point in another thread that Tarantino is the first true 'hip-hop' director, sampling old films and laying his trademark dialogue on top, and like many hip-hop and rap artists he is quite fond of using the n-word.
 
There are all kinds of success... in a forum for film makers I'd like to make an obvious point, that is probably missed by 95% of other people trying to be film makers... You can tell an original story well... or re-tell an old story well... or Frankenstein mish-mash a mix of original and re-hash, but as long as you tell the story well... it doesn't matter, you'll be successful with your film... one way, or another.

100% original stories... especially those TOLD WELL... are virtually non-existent.

The more you know the more you realize there aren't a ton of truly original ideas out there... it's up to you to either come up with something that is original... or find a way to present a handful of old ideas in a new way.

If you can make a great living making films... even if it's not all original... my hat's off to you.
 
Batutta said:
[...] Tarantino is the first true 'hip-hop' director, sampling old films and laying his trademark dialogue on top, and like many hip-hop and rap artists he is quite fond of using the n-word.
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Just to clarify, Tarrantino (like Spike Lee, the Hughes brothers, and John Singleton) uses the word "nigger" in his films.
 
Jordan_S said:
Just to clarify, Tarrantino (like Spike Lee, the Hughes brothers, and John Singleton) uses the word "nigger" in his films.
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Hey, this is a family website!...LOL...I generally don't like using that dumb abbreviation, but I didn't want to run afoul of the mods.
 
Jordan_S said:
I meant in his films, as in not in his private or public life.
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Right...By the way just leafing through his latest script Django Unchained, I think QT might set a record for most frequent use of that word in a movie. He uses it like punctuation. However, it's set in the south in the 1800's so it's true to the times.
 
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