Mmmmmm..........Tasty

[Doc Bernard]

Also picked up another M249 SAW, a Glock 36, an MTC1 carbine, 2 Colt Peacemakers, A Luger, and a Mauser Broomhandle over the past couple of weeks.

 

[David G. Smith]

Well Doc, you realize you are now on watch lists the world over? Those black helicopters ARE watching you!

 

[David G. Smith]

Sh*t!, now I am on the list for responding... "Prank caller!!!" ...... "Prank caller!!!".

 

[Doc Bernard]

LOL, I have been on those "lists" for years now.

I get Christmas cards from the guys in the black helicopters.

 

[David G. Smith]

Too funny. Now, WTF, are those replicas? That orange flash guard has got to go.

 

[Doc Bernard]

Bought them from an airsoft shop going out of biz. Got a killer deal, since I bought all of them. I have a film coming up about PTSD (Army Approved, they are back-stopping it), And I need to outfit a bunch of Insurgents, as well as the US side. Still looking for a SVD and a RPG. (One of my vendors may provide for free, for film credit)

The orange tips will be gone later this week.

 

[Gord.T]

I was wondering if you have any M16's kicking around? You gotta have an M16. I mean, you just gotta.

 

[Sad Max]

Gotta admit that the all-black AK with the foldy is the only one that passes the glance-test. I guess the wood-furnished ones are more for background use?

 

[Somerockenguy]

Airsoft guns are such perfect prop guns but watch out with the cheaper airsoft AKs. alot of the cheap ones have very glossy fake wood. Make sure you remember to plug those screw holes. im sure you know what your doing though.

 

[Doc Bernard]

Sad, the second one from the end is also a "Hero", as I have had it up next some real AK's. LOL, No noticeable difference.

Somerocken guy, yeah, I have done a film or two, LOL. I have about 175 prop weapons now. Those AK's will be getting about 2-3 hours worth of detail work each before they go on set.

And Gord, which variation M16 are you talking about? I have A1's, A2's, Korean Type 65's, and the whole M4 family.

LOL, I told y'all...........my plan is to be the biggest armorer on the West Coast for Indie Film. I get new props every week. Right now the hardest thing is sourcing the parts for my .50 cal M2HB/AC's (since I am building them out of REAL parts) I can find them, but they are really expensive. A trunnion alone just cost me 450.00.

 

[Gord.T]

And Gord, which variation M16 are you talking about? I have A1's, A2's, Korean Type 65's, and the whole M4 family.

I was afraid you were going to ask me that, and I'm not surprised you have a wide selection. Ofcourse you would. What was I thinking?

It would be the Korean War era version. Were they fibre glass bodies then?
They were capable of full auto used in very short bursts. I know some of them had selectors for single shot, semi-auto (3burst?) and full auto.
I do not know my weapons very well.

I wasn't aware they were called 65's to be honest but sounds like the one.
Have any pics of it?

//Edit: I think, as I'm googling, it was the A1. I guess it's a variant of the AR-15? Still not sure what the 65 is.
//Yeah, pretty sure A1 then. Wow. And the guy's name that designed it was Eugene Stoner. Some irony there being the 60's and everything.
I was watching a documentary on it this morning. I guess he had a hard time selling the idea at first. Interesting though.

 

[Sad Max]

The main service rifles during the Korean War were the M1 Garand in .308 and the M1 Carbine in .30 Carbine. Traditional wood-and-steel rifles with little if any fiberglass in 'em...

The XM177 was a Vietnam-era short M-16-based carbine that was developed into the CAR-15 and influenced design of the M-4 family of rifles and carbines.

Eugene Stoner got the ball rolling in the 1950s with the 7.62mm AR-10, which unsuccessfully competed against the M-14 for adoption as the US service rifle, then was redesigned as the AR-15 in .223 and eventually adopted as the M-16.

 

[Gord.T]

So was the M16 actually used in Korea? I understand that war ended in '53.

Vietnam continued until '75 I take it?

So I understand fiberglass would not have been available for the Korean conflict.

I was aware there was one version of the M4 carbine.

So I guess it was Vietnam then and not Korea that the M16A1 was taken into effect?
That sound right or not? Interesting history lesson here.

Did the AR-15 ever see combat or was it just an evolutionary thing then?
And that was the Browning right? Excuse my ignorance.

And what's happening here, anyones opinion? Looks like an M16 in there also , not sure what version, but, since we're here...
//edit: Lol, who's taking those single shots? Is that a M4 or is that the AR-15? The video isn't that great. And plus I think Doc needs to get in here. lol.


//More edit: Well, it couldn't be the AR-15 then right? If Ar stands for automatic rifle. So does M4 sound right for the guy taking the single pot shots?
Yes, I ask the stupid questions that the other noobs won't. :beer:

//More edit: It looks a lot like the Ar-15 though. I give up. Doooooc?

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[Sad Max]

So was the M16 actually used in Korea? I understand that war ended in '53.

Vietnam continued until '75 I take it?

No, the rifle was adopted in the 1960s and was therefore not used for warfighting during the 1950s.

Full-scale American involvement in Vietnam ended in 1973.

So I understand fiberglass would not have been available for the Korean conflict.

Fiberglass was in use during WWII. Just not as rifle furniture, with the US military. That starts with the forend cover on the M16's predecessor, the M14...my little baby's sweet sixteen, but I want my M14!

I was aware there was one version of the M4 carbine.

There are four major variants: M4, M4A1 and a couple of SOPMOD models, all built on the same receiver.

So I guess it was Vietnam then and not Korea that the M16A1 was taken into effect?

The M16 was introduced during the Vietnam war, first with the USAF, then with the USMC, then with pretty much everybody else.

Did the AR-15 ever see combat or was it just an evolutionary thing then?

AR-15 is just a designation for the same rifle as that what became - with a couple minor modifications - the M16. So, yes.

And that was the Browning right?

No, Eugene Stoner, Armalite, and Colt.

 

[Gord.T]

The end of the Vietnam war. I was going by the wiki which states...

The Vietnam War [A 2] was a Cold War military conflict that occurred in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia from November 1, 1955 [A 1], to April 30, 1975 when Saigon fell.

As you say, full scale American involvement ended 2 years earlier. I wasn't aware of that. thanks.

Did the AR-15 ever see combat or was it just an evolutionary thing then?

AR-15 is just a designation for the same rifle as what became the M16. So, yes.

Specifically, did the AR-15, under that designation, ever see combat?

 

[Mike Harvey]

Gord, the Koreans make a variation of the M16, which is what I think Doc was referencing.

 

[Gord.T]

I was asking about the M16 that I thought was used in Korea. But yeah, Doc's mention of the Korean version I understand now. That's what kind of confused me at first.

And not to get political over the Vietnam thing, and I hope the mods don't see it that way,
the internet is saying to me it was '75 and not '73.

For history sakes anyways I don't see this as political so let me post a few things from google...

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_did_america_pull_troops_out_of_vietnam
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4624718
http://www.fallofsaigon.org/vetsllookback.htm

They all state it was '75 that Americans pulled out.

But anyways, that's off topic at this point.

Back to the M16.

I'll do a bit of searching on my own so maybe I can understand it better.
Until then, ya'll have a good night. No harm done I hope. :cheesy:
:beer:

 

[Doc Bernard]

Sorry, eventful day. I just got back. Went and played airsoft with the team today. (And killed a 3' rattlesnake)

Yes the version you are referring to was the A1. The A2 is when "3 round" burst came into the picture, along with the departure from the characteristic triangle foregrip to a round knurled foregrip (seen on the AR's and M4's today)

The Type 65 is the South Korean "version" of the M16/M4. Long barrel, slightly different furniture, but still based on the Colt design, using the same mags.

The AR15 in it's infancy was pitched to the military, and saw test time there, but that particular variation was primarily destined for Law Enforcement use (since so many police saw military action, the crossover was simple), and the civilian market. The CAR-15 (Carbine version, which is shorter), though, saw a lot of military action with Special Forces and Spec Com. The CAR-15 became the M4 we see today.

 

[Mike Harvey]

The AR15 in it's infancy was pitched to the military, and saw test time there, but that particular variation was primarily destined for Law Enforcement use (since so many police saw military action, the crossover was simple), and the civilian market. The CAR-15 (Carbine version, which is shorter), though, saw a lot of military action with Special Forces and Spec Com. The CAR-15 became the M4 we see today.

[sigh]... I miss my AR15. Sold it to fund buying a SCAR 16s, then before I could my hours at work got whacked in half and had to put the money towards that annoying mortgage thing.

 

[Doc Bernard]

Gord, foreground to background on your video:

M4, M16 A1, Browning 1919a4 (with a reallllllly short custom barrel), and I think an RPK (cant see enough of it to ID it correctly)