Minority Report

And about the comments about how the system really did work and they should have kept precogs and all.... That may not have been the point. The point being these 3 people were slaves to system, and now they are free... Did we miss that? This was a big hit for Spielberg in my opinion.
 
cygnet74 said:
HA!!! oh man, you consider a woody allen film staring sean penn to be an obscure picture? i seem to remember a great deal of buzz generated around bopth the film AND morton when this film was released.
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Calm down before you pull something.

Are we gonna in circles over this? Are we missing the entire point of me saying in the first place (cause I knew someone would start moaning about it if I didn't put a disclaimer on it):

"One of Spielbergs and Cruises finest films all the while introducing us to Samantha Morton and Neal McDonough (I mean in bigger grander exposed roles)." <<<<<<< thats the disclaimer


Minority Report has a release at 3001 theatres
Sweet and Lowdown had a release at 239 theatres

Minority Report had a weekend opening of $35 Million
Sweet and Lowdown a weekend opening of $94,000 dollars

Minority Report went on to do a Worldwide $358 Million dollars
Sweet and Lowdown did worldwide................. oh nevermind

See; these are numbers to support my initial claim. Minority Report was a bigger and granderly exposed scale compared to their previous roles.

Again (for those of you who are slower and cannot grasp it) I specifially meant introducing us to these talents whereas Martha in Kansas will see it and not some theatre in L.A. playing the Woody Allen films.

See, cause it's a Summer Blockbuster with an advertising buget of like $40 MIllion dollars? It's a Steven Spielberg film? It's starring Tom Cruise?

What part of this equation are you missing? This isn't a call for arms ya know.

What day is it anyway?

Back on topic hopefully; yes Benji. I felt the same way
 
i havent seen this in a while...but i thought it was pretty fun. loved the psychic chase scene...
thought the end was wrapped up a little too quickly. but still fun. i wish it would have been a bit darker though.
 
that's great, but with all due respect, john, i don't think "Martha in Kansas" has any idea who samantha morton is... with or without minority report's superior numbers. sweet and lowdown put her on the map for people, like us, that carry a map. that's my final word on the subject.
 
cygnet74 said:
that's my final word on the subject.
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And you had to get it in as expected. :beer: :laugh:

How this subject even became debatable is beyond me. Next time I'll add the disclaimer:

"One of Spielbergs and Cruises finest films all the while introducing us to Samantha Morton and Neal McDonough (I mean in bigger grander exposed roles not unlike the lesser more obscure art house films by Woody Allen that other people may or may not discover these actors in)."

(insert straight faced sarcastic emoticon here)
 
this will put samantha morton onthe map for people in kansas...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0431213/

wtf?!

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Damn Rich! Look at her face! Martha in Kansas is like WTF?

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cygnet74

I'm not insulting you; I am merely dispelling your myth; I apologize if you feel offended. I was just having a bit of fun.
 
cygnet74 said:
that's great, but with all due respect, john, i don't think "Martha in Kansas" has any idea who samantha morton is...
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WHo is Samantha Morton?

--- Jerry in his pants
 
John_Hudson said:
cygnet74

I'm not insulting you; I am merely dispelling your myth; I apologize if you feel offended. I was just having a bit of fun.
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hey, it's cool, john. i've just never entered into a debate with a mod before. there's a fear that your last move could be to ban me. it adds a whole new level of danger and excitement!!!
 
cygnet74 said:
hey, it's cool, john. i've just never entered into a debate with a mod before. there's a fear that your last move could be to ban me. it adds a whole new level of danger and excitement!!!
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johns not really a mod, the real mods let him have that title to give him a sense of importance....

johns alot like an older radio...or rudy....

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but he's hung like a horse, so the ladies love'em
 
Rich Lee said:
but he's hung like a horse, so the ladies love'em
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AND he never banned anybooody! No no no, that's not our John!



What am I saying? Today is my 'pick on John Hudson' day!


He is a pitiful, revengeful, power-hungry dictator, coming from that damned Guevarra clan! He's making my life on dvxuser miserable, and I am going to overthrow him and establish a truly free society for all filmmakers of the world!

BAN THAT!
 
oh my god! you suck at photoshop too!

HAHAHA...just kidding!

JH, u da man!

you make the walken avatar? creepin me out....
 
krestofre said:
I thought the flaw in the system was that it was exploitable, and therefore there would always be doubt. That concept supports XCheck's observations. I guess I'm just not buying your "there were no flaws in Precrime" argument. I always viewed the story as Precrime being inherenly wrong.
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Towards the end of the film, those exploits are revealed, and the boss of Anderton is gone. People now know about the flaws, and it can be changed. So now that the flaws are known, why shut down Precrime?

John_Hudson said:
I understand that element; I was referring to the fact they kept these Pre-Cogs in a wet-chamber under comastasis (Is that word or did I just invent one?). I know Millions will die but at what cost? Can the government decide to kepp GORDON JL in this state (vegetable) for the sake of the people?

Can you be kept as an 'imprisoned babbling idiot' ?

This was one of the issues I saw in the film. Was it just me who felt sympathetic towards the pre-cogs state?

And you say the Pre-Cogs were never wrong. But they were wrong. The system can be manipulated by power hungry men; I found that another issue

I have to side with Krestofre and XMAN on this element; I too veiwed the system as inherently wrong.
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Well, I did feel empathy towards the pre-cogs, but it's a sacrifice that I felt should be made, to save many more people. The enslavement of these precogs seemed worth it to me -- and it was also well worth it to the people involved with Precrime, and even the government in the film! They originally did imprison them in the first place; now that the flaws have been figured out, why not imprison them again? They wouldn't just change their minds and feel sorry for the precogs. So the main reasoning in the end was that they believed the system was flawed...

But in the end, it doesn't matter if you or I believe it's wrong or not to use these 3 precogs to save millions of lives; it only matters what the people in the world of Minority Report originally thought; that it was a sacrafice they would make.

The pre-cogs were never wrong, it was only human error that caused these things to go wrong. But Anderton's boss has been eliminated, and people know now the flaws in the system. If you see the film again, you'll notice that the pre-cogs were only wrong if the suspected murderer knew his/her future. Once that person knows it, he has the decision to change it. But if he didn't; the precogs would have predicted the murder. It was just because of that idiot boss who screwed everything up. :undecided

UncleBenji1977 said:
And about the comments about how the system really did work and they should have kept precogs and all.... That may not have been the point. The point being these 3 people were slaves to system, and now they are free... Did we miss that? This was a big hit for Spielberg in my opinion.
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It's a sacrifice they were willing to make in the first place, why not make it again, especially knowing that the flaws have all be checked out?
 
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