Million Marijuana March
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I suppose what irks me is when opinion are put forth from a persons own belief system with no verifyable support so it becomes an "I don't believe in it so you shouldn't either" type of thing. If we look back in history there have been many such problems caused by this conduct ( It can't be explained...it must be work of the Devil...She is a witch lets burn her!) I am guilty of getting a little touchy when I see this go down. Not actually meaning to rock the boat, just trying to plug the leaks is all.
pookie_old
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Mino said:
Well....
Jonestown Jarred, he already has the t-shirts
Voodoo John, enough said there
PK can get us a cool eastern religion
I can be the activity director...
TC can be the follower
Mino, you can do the deep thinking stuff
Barry writes, he can handle the protest signs
No Ca$h, he can be the ritual sacrifice.
Hmmm...
J.R. Hudson
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VooDoo? What'd I do this time?
pookie_old
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What are your qualifications?
Cult promotion boards can be pretty tough.
Cult promotion boards can be pretty tough.
You guys are still at it? Don't you sleep 
Issac here's a short list of famous people including artists, founding fathers and scientists who all have at one time or another recreationaly or medically used marijuana:
http://www.slatts.fsworld.co.uk/famous.htm
So you can't call bullshit.
Issac here's a short list of famous people including artists, founding fathers and scientists who all have at one time or another recreationaly or medically used marijuana:
http://www.slatts.fsworld.co.uk/famous.htm
So you can't call bullshit.
All of the Corr sisters are smokin'.
...wow.. alot of debate going on here. interesting. ..ive been around long enough to witness countless people and lives test both sides of the equation.
..but, drugs are one of those things that i've found you cant really find reason between the different sides people stand on the issues. do they make you more creative, or do they destroy your creative life an potential? do they help you think, or do they take away your ability to reason with reality? do they help the world, or do they hurt it? do they actually make people any happier, or do they make them more sad and depressed? do they enhance peoples lives and open new doors for them, or do they dim peoples lives and close doors for them? are they harmless on all levels, or do they cause harm on all levels? are they safe for everyone, or dangerous? is it morally wrong, or is it a good thing? are they addictive, are they not addictive? is moderation ok, or is it wrong at any level? this or that.. lots of questions on the subject.
illegal or not illegal.. really dosent really matter as far as a life changing decision, we all know where we stand on the issues, and since truth is not relative and the answers will reveal themselves to everyone with time, i see no reason to have any sort of debate on the issue. but as far as where i stand... well i try to stand on whatever side i believe truth stands on. life will show everyone as to whether thats the right side or not. so stand where you will, and by what you truley believe in. there are many paths to walk in life. I personally believe that the truth has written a guide with those who have gone before us as a roadmap... just choose the path that will take you to your desired destination. take a look at the roads laid before you and the decisions at hand, and consider the lives of people who have walked those roads before, and where the roads have lead them. because, chances are those same roads will lead you there too. you only get one life to get it right, so choose wisely.
..but, drugs are one of those things that i've found you cant really find reason between the different sides people stand on the issues. do they make you more creative, or do they destroy your creative life an potential? do they help you think, or do they take away your ability to reason with reality? do they help the world, or do they hurt it? do they actually make people any happier, or do they make them more sad and depressed? do they enhance peoples lives and open new doors for them, or do they dim peoples lives and close doors for them? are they harmless on all levels, or do they cause harm on all levels? are they safe for everyone, or dangerous? is it morally wrong, or is it a good thing? are they addictive, are they not addictive? is moderation ok, or is it wrong at any level? this or that.. lots of questions on the subject.
illegal or not illegal.. really dosent really matter as far as a life changing decision, we all know where we stand on the issues, and since truth is not relative and the answers will reveal themselves to everyone with time, i see no reason to have any sort of debate on the issue. but as far as where i stand... well i try to stand on whatever side i believe truth stands on. life will show everyone as to whether thats the right side or not. so stand where you will, and by what you truley believe in. there are many paths to walk in life. I personally believe that the truth has written a guide with those who have gone before us as a roadmap... just choose the path that will take you to your desired destination. take a look at the roads laid before you and the decisions at hand, and consider the lives of people who have walked those roads before, and where the roads have lead them. because, chances are those same roads will lead you there too. you only get one life to get it right, so choose wisely.
Richard Nixon played a large part in modern marijuana prohibition -- these are real excerpts from White House transcripts on the subject (first saw a cartoon about this in Time magazine back in 2002):
* Jews and marijuana: "I see another thing in the news summary this morning about it. That's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob, what is the matter with them? I suppose it's because most of them are psychiatrists . . ."
* Marijuana and the culture wars: "You see, homosexuality, dope, immorality in general. These are the enemies of strong societies. That's why the Communists and the left-wingers are pushing the stuff, they're trying to destroy us."
* Marijuana compared to alcohol: marijuana consumers smoke "to get high" while "a person drinks to have fun." Nixon also saw marijuana leading to loss of motivation and discipline but claimed: "At least with liquor I don't lose motivation."
* Marijuana and political dissent: ". . . radical demonstrators that were here . . . two weeks ago . . . They're all on drugs, virtually all."
* Drug education: "Enforce the law, you’ve got to scare them."
* Jews and marijuana: "I see another thing in the news summary this morning about it. That's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob, what is the matter with them? I suppose it's because most of them are psychiatrists . . ."
* Marijuana and the culture wars: "You see, homosexuality, dope, immorality in general. These are the enemies of strong societies. That's why the Communists and the left-wingers are pushing the stuff, they're trying to destroy us."
* Marijuana compared to alcohol: marijuana consumers smoke "to get high" while "a person drinks to have fun." Nixon also saw marijuana leading to loss of motivation and discipline but claimed: "At least with liquor I don't lose motivation."
* Marijuana and political dissent: ". . . radical demonstrators that were here . . . two weeks ago . . . They're all on drugs, virtually all."
* Drug education: "Enforce the law, you’ve got to scare them."
Jim Brennan
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I gotta weigh in. I spent a number of years working in psych wards, often dealing with mental health issues relating to chemical abuse as well as working on an addictions unit. I also have a long family history of addictions. Whether or not you think that adds weight to my words is up to you...
First of all anytime someone offers you a simple solution to a complex problem, run away. That's not because they are crazy, but rather impractical. This is a deep and longstanding societal issue which has been compounded by decades od ignorance and misinformation. The very reasons that pot was made illegal are naive and misinformed at best; racist and fascist at worst. (the truth somewhere in the middle as always) That however, is not a reason to simply make it legal.
My time working with addicts was interesting. Nearly all of them cited marijuana as a stepping stone to harder drugs. Yet none of them were in treatment (to my recollection) for marijuana alone. Many were in for alcohol, yet few offered alcohol as a reason for advancing to harder drugs. That paradox has always been something I have had a hard time getting my head around.
Marijuana has adverse health consequences. If you are in denial about that, you should examine your motivations. Does that mean it should be illegal? No. Many harmful things are legal, and for legitimate reasons. The question comes down to reponsibility. I'm a freedom first kind of guy, but far too many people clamor about their rights and freedoms, but don't even think about their responsibilities.
What responsibilities? I'm glad you asked.
How about the responsibility we have for truth? Truth from both sides. Marijuana is not harmless. Perhaps there has never been an unimpeachable scientific study to show exactly what damage it causes, but my personal experience is that it has harmful and potentially harmful effects, physically, emotionally, and societally. Is there a loose knit conspiracy of ignorance and disinformation to keep pot illegal? Sure. It has medical use, and many of the behavioral paranoias are unfounded. There is a lot of money, and a lot of votes at stake.
How about the responsibility for our decisions? I have met many addicts (of various types) who won't take responsibility for their personal decision to use and abuse. They come to demonize the drug, society, their family, whoever. They won't say "Hey, I chose this path. I'm here because of decisions I made"
I agree with Isara about education. And it needs to be objective. We need to make educated decisions about the chemicals we ingest. I find it doubtful (government conspiracies aside) that a 13 year old is making an intellegent and educated decision the first time they light up. Conversely, when we vote on a referrendum allowing medical use of marijuana, we need to do so with facts, not paranoia and propaganda.
First of all anytime someone offers you a simple solution to a complex problem, run away. That's not because they are crazy, but rather impractical. This is a deep and longstanding societal issue which has been compounded by decades od ignorance and misinformation. The very reasons that pot was made illegal are naive and misinformed at best; racist and fascist at worst. (the truth somewhere in the middle as always) That however, is not a reason to simply make it legal.
My time working with addicts was interesting. Nearly all of them cited marijuana as a stepping stone to harder drugs. Yet none of them were in treatment (to my recollection) for marijuana alone. Many were in for alcohol, yet few offered alcohol as a reason for advancing to harder drugs. That paradox has always been something I have had a hard time getting my head around.
Marijuana has adverse health consequences. If you are in denial about that, you should examine your motivations. Does that mean it should be illegal? No. Many harmful things are legal, and for legitimate reasons. The question comes down to reponsibility. I'm a freedom first kind of guy, but far too many people clamor about their rights and freedoms, but don't even think about their responsibilities.
What responsibilities? I'm glad you asked.
How about the responsibility we have for truth? Truth from both sides. Marijuana is not harmless. Perhaps there has never been an unimpeachable scientific study to show exactly what damage it causes, but my personal experience is that it has harmful and potentially harmful effects, physically, emotionally, and societally. Is there a loose knit conspiracy of ignorance and disinformation to keep pot illegal? Sure. It has medical use, and many of the behavioral paranoias are unfounded. There is a lot of money, and a lot of votes at stake.
How about the responsibility for our decisions? I have met many addicts (of various types) who won't take responsibility for their personal decision to use and abuse. They come to demonize the drug, society, their family, whoever. They won't say "Hey, I chose this path. I'm here because of decisions I made"
I agree with Isara about education. And it needs to be objective. We need to make educated decisions about the chemicals we ingest. I find it doubtful (government conspiracies aside) that a 13 year old is making an intellegent and educated decision the first time they light up. Conversely, when we vote on a referrendum allowing medical use of marijuana, we need to do so with facts, not paranoia and propaganda.
Kirk Gillock
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vjbrennan - Insightful and well said. I agree 100%. Especially the "freedoms and responsibility" comments. Some people are too concerned with the "freedom" and not with the responsibility. Thank you for your input.
PK
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NO CA$H
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These are my favorite three. Abbie hoffmann was insane I don't think anyone ever doubted he smoked marijuana. I'd love to hear arnold schwarzenegger say that line ``I did smoke a joint and I did inhale.'' George W Bush smoked weed? ah Who cares.
Abbie Hoffman, Activist.
Arnold Schwarzenegger. Actor. ``I did smoke a joint and I did inhale.''
George W Bush Politician and professional hypocrite.
Abbie Hoffman, Activist.
Arnold Schwarzenegger. Actor. ``I did smoke a joint and I did inhale.''
George W Bush Politician and professional hypocrite.
NO CA$H
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Marijuana is not a gateway drug or a stepping stone to anything. So sick of hearing that crap. It turns out that the same kind of people who would smoke weed wouldnt mind trying coke. Its like they want you to think if you smoke weed your gunna shoot heroin next, its bullshit. EVERY stoner I know except one has stuck to smoking weed and doing nothing else. That other person was a good friend of mine that got addicted to ecstasy. We should be like amsterdam and worry about all the hard drugs that are actually addicting and dangerous. Forget weed. Worry about heroin and oxy contin and all this acid goin around.
EDIT: Acid is bad news. I dont know about where you live but here in south florida its in every high school.
EDIT: Acid is bad news. I dont know about where you live but here in south florida its in every high school.
Real acid was one of those drugs where you had to be put together properly going in. Lsd will find every flaw in your seemingly balanced personality and work it into the madness you will experience. If your glue isn't set, don't even think about acid. Of course I'm talking about the stuff from the 70's, todays concoction is probably a mixture of Drano and wd-40!
Jim Brennan
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No Cash, don't discount pot as a stepping stone drug so readily. There may be no medical evidence or biological urge, but the societal evidence is overwhelming. It's not necessarily the drug itself (meaning weed), but the willingness to begin with what seems a benign substance that leads to harder drugs. Does smoking pot mean you will have to move on? Of course not. But nearly every hard drug addict I have ever spoken with (and I can guarantee you that it's far more than most people on this board) talks about their use of a marijuana as a lynchpin to further drug use. Simply put: there is a much grayer area in most people's minds about doing coke, or heroin, or meth if they have already used pot, than if they haven't. You are far less likely to find addicts who started on heroin than those that started on pot and moved up. There is a reason for that; it blurs the line.
Certainly there is logic to your statement that some users are predisposed to trying any drug. But there are those (an unquantifiable but significant amount) that would not think of doing hard drugs...until they become pot smokers. I've seen it more times than I can count.
That doesn't mean that I am against de-criminalization, or at some point, legalization. But to discount the possibility that marijuana can become a gateway drug is as much ignoring the facts as stating that marijuana will turn you into a psychopath.
Certainly there is logic to your statement that some users are predisposed to trying any drug. But there are those (an unquantifiable but significant amount) that would not think of doing hard drugs...until they become pot smokers. I've seen it more times than I can count.
That doesn't mean that I am against de-criminalization, or at some point, legalization. But to discount the possibility that marijuana can become a gateway drug is as much ignoring the facts as stating that marijuana will turn you into a psychopath.
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