Might be Interesting to Smokers

Scientists will have accomplished quite a thing when they can harness the benefits of nicotine while restricting its addictive nature.
 
Most people are aware of conflicting reports coming from clinical studies. One week, it seems, coffee is carcinogenic, while the following week it has no effect on cancer but helps prevent Alzheimer’s disease.

Most clinical trials in medicine produce false results. Surprisingly, the high percentage of false studies is not even particularly controversial. The expectation of mistaken conclusions comes directly from medical statistics. Despite this finding, the medical establishment and the mainstream media maintain a fiction that clinical trials and meta-analyses provide a gold standard of scientific "proof".

In this environment, many of those who have shown that so-called evidence based medicine has little scientific foundation are unable to bring themselves to conclude that a new approach is required. Instead, their common suggestion is make the studies larger and use more meta-analysis; more of the same to make the situation worse.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1182327

Frank
 
I smoke. Who's got the cigs with the most nicotene?

I know I am going to bite the big one, one day. Screw it, based on the "studies", water can kill me too.

The studies are so diluted, I don't give a rat's hindquarters anymore.
 
Doc Bernard said:
I smoke. Who's got the cigs with the most nicotene?

I know I am going to bite the big one, one day. Screw it, based on the "studies", water can kill me too.

The studies are so diluted, I don't give a rat's hindquarters anymore.
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Quite a few folks, myself included, consider quitting smoking to be one of our highest achievements. That is either an indication of a lack of accomplishments or a sign of just how incredibly difficult quitting smoking is. And the fact is that quitting smoking is extremely challenging. You must go to war with your body. But you can do it.
 
Go to war with my body? What a absurd idea.

There is a trend in the last years to die with a perfect healthy body.
For this goal people are spend lots a time and money, chasten themselves in gyms and live like an ascetic for most of their live

I, on the other hand would prefer sliding halve assed in to my grave, with a totally worn out corps, a steak in one hand, a glass of gin in the other and a cigar in my mouth, shouting - Wow, what a ride!

Yeah, I maybe die sooner, maybe not - who cares? - I don´t care, but I care much about a good live, not a long one.

Actually I prefer to die with lung cancer at 65 than getting 85,suffering of dementia, sitting in a wheelchair and pissing/shi*ing myself twice a day - but forget it 20 minutes later.

But to each his own.

Frank
 
Doc Bernard said:
I smoke. Who's got the cigs with the most nicotene?

I know I am going to bite the big one, one day. Screw it, based on the "studies", water can kill me too.

The studies are so diluted, I don't give a rat's hindquarters anymore.
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I'm guessing you don't have children? We're all going to die one day...depends on how long you want to be around.

Do yourself a favor & quit. I did and feel better for it.:beer:
 
Personally I'm uninterested in whether a particular person decides to smoke tobacco, or not, with two conditions: one, I don't want to inhale any of their overflow and expect them to display some manners where that's concerned and two, I don't want to get tapped for any of the expenses associated with their smoking-related diseases. They chose enjoyment of nicotine, knowing the hazards; they can foot the entire bill for the consequences themselves.

Postmaster said:
Go to war with my body? What a absurd idea.
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Not absurd in the least: a physical dependency means that when - if - you decide to break it you will have to exercise your will against the very real and palpable demands of your body which has developed the dependency. Call it a contest or a competition or simply the exercise of discipline, if you dislike the use of the word "war."

Postmaster said:
There is a trend in the last years to die with a perfect healthy body.
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Perfectly healthy bodies don't die. Bodies die when there's something wrong with them, due to disease or injury.

Postmaster said:
For this goal people are spend lots a time and money, chasten themselves in gyms and live like an ascetic for most of their live
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Chasten? I think you're confusing gym rats with Gnostic hermits, or something...anyway, I can't speak for anyone else but my wife and I make the required effort to eat healthfully and train regularly because we enjoy the results. We like being slim better than we liked being fat, we like being stronger better than we liked being weaker, we like feeling energetic and flexible better than we liked feeling stiff-assed and blah. Not to mention that old age may well be a bit less unpleasant if we reach it in decent physical shape, rather than being stooped-over diabetic wrecks. I don't doubt that there are people who genuinely prefer being porky, weak, fatigued and stiff, and look forward to amputations and bedridden-ness: they're welcome to enjoy what brings them happiness.

Postmaster said:
I, on the other hand would prefer sliding halve assed in to my grave, with a totally worn out corps, a steak in one hand, a glass of gin in the other and a cigar in my mouth, shouting - Wow, what a ride!
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I think there's a risk that the cigar will fall out of your mouth when you're shouting. But I'm not a cigar expert; better ask Callaghan...

Postmaster said:
Yeah, I maybe die sooner, maybe not - who cares? - I don´t care, but I care much about a good live, not a long one.
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Did anyone suggest that they care when you happen to die...? Maybe, and I missed it. Sure, it's up to you to care, or not, and if you don't I doubt anyone else will care either.

Postmaster said:
Actually I prefer to die with lung cancer at 65 than getting 85,suffering of dementia, sitting in a wheelchair and pissing/shi*ing myself twice a day - but forget it 20 minutes later.
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Just so long as I'm not tapped to help cover the costs of your end-of-life care on the cancer ward or hospice, that's groovy.
 
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Smoked 8 years. Quit cold turkey a year ago. No relapses. Going back to the article, I do feel some sort of fondish memories associated with smoking. Weird.
 
@Sad Max

Usually I smoke a pack a day that´s 17 cigs - about one every hour.

When I work in the editing studio I can´t smoke for 8 hours or more at all.
Then I come home, just to find out that I run out of cigarettes and find my self to lazy to leave the house again. So I don´t smoke the rest of the evening.

When we visit my Mother in law I don´t smoke the whole weekend. No problem.
Doesn't sound to "addicted" to me.

Its all about controlling your brain, not your body.

You are not paying for my cancer dead, cause that is relative cheap in contrast to the enormous cost of nasty diseases you will develop with every year after your 65th birthday (so the statistics say - but what do they know?)

To each his own. By the way, nicotine is good for your brain.

Frank
 
Watching someone essentially argue that sucking hot, carcinogen-laden smoke into your lungs is good for you is almost as much fun as reading those threads where people claim that they don't need to be able to spell or construct a sentence, to be writers - and for similar reasons. Other people's reality-denial is entertaining...

Sure, nicotine may have minor positive effects on brain function. That doesn't mean that the toxic side effects of absorbing it - via smoking, chaw or snuff are any less problematic, or that the carcinomas of the tongue, palate or lungs are any less deadly, or any less unpleasant to die from.

Please furnish the statistics you are using to support your claim that we don't collectively pay for tobacco-related illnesses and deaths. If you're going to cite statistics, you have to provide the original study from which you are drawing them, or you might as well be pulling claims out of thin air (well, stinky tobacco-smogged air).

You seem to think that brain and body are separate entities. If you have some clinical evidence to back that assertion, it would be nice to see that, too.
 
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