Michael Mann

A little tip I picked up at the Santa Fe Workshops... The easiest way to get another stop of light with any ENG style camcorder (e.g. F900) without introducing noise is to turn the shutter off.... this essentially give you a 360 degree shutter. It changes motion blur which some may find distracting, but if there isn't much motion in the shot it's barely or not noticeable.

From what I understand this technique was used often in Vice when key light was shooting more than 3 stops under. It's quite possible that the motion blur you weren't fond of could be attributed to this technique.
 
dvpixl said:
that smeary videoish look is definitely 1/24 shutter speed 24p. i mean you can try it on your own- it'll give you that look. i hate that look. I'm not sure what the problem is if you transfer to film with a 1/60 or 1/48 but whatever it is, using 1/24 to match film isn't working for it. instead it still gives off the same videoish look right on film.
almost all DV made movies have that look. EXCEPT for starwars and the newer films made with Genesis like Superman and Click. I dont know why they use that look. I think it's terrible.
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I think you're wrong quite wrong. Yes 1/24 looks awful and Mann loves it but it's wrong to say that all non-Genisis films and Star Wars have it. Sin City, Sky Captain and the World of Tommorow, Spy Kids 3, The Adventures of Shark Boy and Lava Girl, Once Upon a Time in Mexico (save for two scenes), and many more all have motion that is indistinguishible from film. Most good 24p stuff I see on the DVX and HVX doesn't have these "smeary" videoish stuff. I also hate the 1/24 look but it's simply not accurate to say that most digital films have it.
 
dvpixl said:
that smeary videoish look is definitely 1/24 shutter speed 24p. i mean you can try it on your own- it'll give you that look. i hate that look. I'm not sure what the problem is if you transfer to film with a 1/60 or 1/48 but whatever it is, using 1/24 to match film isn't working for it. instead it still gives off the same videoish look right on film.
almost all DV made movies have that look. EXCEPT for starwars and the newer films made with Genesis like Superman and Click. I dont know why they use that look. I think it's terrible.
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I was really disappointed that even November used that look. I, too, wish they would stop. :kali:
 
Michael Mann uses Company 3 in Santa Monica as his Post Production Facility.

I don't know anything about the shutter speed used on Collateral and Miami Vice but I know all the HD material coming to that place was already in 24fps.
 
no. films speed and shutter speed are different things.....

film speed 24p = good
shutter speed 1/24 = videoish and less filmic (bad)

it kinda defeats the point for making video look more film like.
 
Yes spidey is right. So I ask again, 1/24 shutter speed is bad? What is a good "film" shutter speed? 1/60? 1/250? Higher than that gets very odd looking.
 
=Prodigy= said:
Yes spidey is right. So I ask again, 1/24 shutter speed is bad? What is a good "film" shutter speed? 1/60? 1/250? Higher than that gets very odd looking.
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1/48th (which I think is the standard) or 1/60th is doible. When set to "film cam" mode, 185 degrees is the norm (I think) but I've been told that you can push 200 or 210 and still look pretty good (some argue it looks more like film).

In general, just don't touch the shudder button on your HVX or DVX and the motion should look fine.
 
for normal shutter speed

I use 1/60.
for more tension i go up 1/120 - 1/1000. i usually stay around 1/250 -1/500 for combat stuff or action. gives more a Saving private ryan feel. For Chaos mostly but i like 1/60 for a clean and good film look.

on hvx when i shoot slow motion i try to get it as high as i can 1/500 at least. to capture all the little details.

hope this can help you with a look.

some people like 1/48 but i dont like it im a 1/60 fan for a filmic look.
 
To me, 1/120 at 24p looks much more videolike than 1/24. I dont think I've ever seen 30i/60i with the same smooth/blurriness of 24p@1/24. BUt 1/120 adds to the sharpness which is what "video" (30i/60i) is known for.

Yes?

-GageFX
 
Standard shutter is approx 180 degrees - in 24p that translates to 1/48. That is standard so that is what you are used to in films.

The doesnt mean it is best or worst - it just means it is 1/48 - to choose your shutter speed you need to understand what aethetic you are going for.

If you shoot slo-mo at 1/500 you will have very stuttery slow motion - if that is what you are going for perfect - you can shoot slo -mo at 1/30 or less and have it feel silky with trails.

At 24 frames - if you down from 1/48 (like 1/60 or 1/500) you will add motion stutter. If you go up (like 1/30) you will smooth the motion giving more of what you expect to see on a soap opera - that is not worse or better - just different depending on what you are going for.
 
thanks alot for all the posts; thats the question i meant, no the frames per second speed, the shutter speed, its been cleared up.
 
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