Melodyne's new feature- Direct Note Access! Amazing possibilities!

yzmotoxer807

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So for those who dont know, melodyne is an amazing pitch/timing correction tool for audio. Check out the site for more information. I recommend downloading the trial versions just to see. I own it and it truly is amazing.

Anyway, what I want to talk about today is the new technology that they will be adding to it this fall. It is called direct note access. Basically, until now, the only kind of audio file that you could edit was an audio file that was a single series of notes (vocals, guitar solo, drum track, etc.). As far as chords, like on a guitar or piano, where concerned, you could change the pitch of the overall chord but not the separate notes in the chord. For example, if you had an A minor chord, you could move it to be a G minor but it was impossible to move one note in the chord to make it major. The new direct note access technology makes this possible. It "magically" and automatically analyzes the chord and separates each note. You should watch the video on their site about it, it is soooooo coooooool!!!!! The perfect pitch correction tool for the music side of things.

Heres what I was thinking though: Wouldnt this open a world of possibilities on the video side of things. Wouldnt this make it possible to also isolate certain things out of a mix of different sounds. For example, lets just say that you recorded a conversation of two people talking, that you cant re-record, but you only want the audio from one person. You could just lower the volume when the unwanted person is talking right? But what if the two people over lap, or it is more than two people talking? How about ten or twenty people talking? With this technology couldnt you isolate just one person? Obviously the more people there were talking, the harder it would be to do but it would still be possible right?

Another use could be to isolate or eliminate certain instruments in a group that are playing.

Another one could be isolating or eliminating people that were singing together into one microphone.

I think that this technology has amazing potential to be an awesome tool, not only for musical uses, but for video as well.

What do you think? What are some other cool uses that you can think of? I want to hear what you have to say about this because I am excited (seeing as I do video and music) about this technology and I cant wait for it to come out this fall (hopefully)!
 
While cool, I believe you may find that it would be limited in some of the post production scenarios you mention because it (guessing here) relies heavily on tonality to perform the separation. It might be neat creative tool when used to create new variations of an existing performance. As far as doing things like creating harmonies, I would MUCH prefer to hear real performances. They are far superior in every way, unless you want the robot harmonies, which sometimes are what people want.

Instruments can handle a lot more manipulation than human voices before they start to sound strange. This is a result of how we perceive human voices. On the other hand, I am constantly amazed by the hideous sounding over use of pitch correction when I hear songs on the radio. I can only assume that most people either don't notice, or aren't bothered by it :)
 
Yeah I know what you mean about the pop "singers" that use pitch correction to an insane degree. I use it for what it is meant for which is slight pitch "correction" of an already good singer/player, not pitch "magic" for someone who cant sing/play at all. And as far as melodyne relying on tonality for the separation, I see where this could be a problem, but if the peoples' voices are different enough? I dont know, just a thought.
 
yzmotoxer807,

This sounds remarkably like a sales pitch for the product. Hopefully you don't have any affiliation with them (or if you do, please acknowledge it.)

PHil
 
Haha. No I am only 17 years old and about to graduate high school. I can assure you that I have no affiliation with Celemony. I just really like there product Melodyne and this new technology will, from what I have seen, solve many of my previous problems on the music side of my hobbies. The reason this is posted here is that I really think that it could prove promising for some problems with audio for video. While some of my ideas may be...exotic, I cant wait to try them out.
 
Celemony has been around for awhile and there stuff is remarkable. Folks use it in post a bit, partially because it's a bit cumbersome and the learning curve is while not super steep it's a different way of thinking from most of your PT work. There is a plugin version that I think has a bit smoother workflow with ProTools but? Anyway using it for what your using it for it is pretty amazing. You won't be pulling different people apart, at least with out some massive work. A chord is made up of a group of tuned sounds and two people talking aren't. It might have a chance with two people singing? but the human voice is a very complex sound so... As good as Melodyne is you still cant go to far or it starts sounding processed. Another amazing tool is Pitch in Time but it is pricey and is for a bit different purpose.
 
Yeah I want to upgrade to the plugin version when this new one comes out. I have melodyne uno right now and, while very helpful, the workflow is a little cumbersome. And as far as it sounding processed when pushed really far, I think any pitch correction will sound like this. Although, out of all of the programs for this that I have used, I would say this is the best bang for the buck. I use it more for slight correction like a few missed notes, and not for completely rearranging the notes. I definitely like the fact that the interface is really not that hard to use but gives great results.
 
I suspect that you may be overestimating the plugin's functionality when it comes to dialogue repair and voice isolation. Nevertheless, I'm curious to see what sort of special vocal effects can be achieved through it. I've had great fun in the past using formant-based pitch-shifters to mutilate vocals for sci-fi projects.
Incidentally, your enthusiasm for this product (with repetition of its name in full) set off my "viral marketting" alarm bells as well, yzmotoxer807. Glad to hear it was a false alarm. Please keep us posted on how your experiments with this software turn out.
 
Oh, sorry about that. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG) I just cant say enough about what it has done for my recordings. I definitely dont have access to the worlds greatest singers where I live in PA but with melodyne I only need okay singers. Now, I do think of it as cheating even though I use it but my songs are not being sold as major professional studio recordings. I do think that pitch correction is waaaaaaayyyyy over used in todays professional music. And yeah when this technology comes out I will definitely post results of the testing.
 
Latecomer to the Celemony thread. Even though I'm in the music field (not strictly audio) I must say that Celemony's stuff rocks. Saw the presentation at the Musikmesse back in '08 and was blown away both by the reaction of the hardcore music producers and by the product demo itself.

Why use it for video?

Depending on the music arrangment (big caveat) and the frequency overlap/masking you could eventually produce a xxx-instrument-less mix (might be interesting also in the video field) to match a given scene.

Another MUST have is gender transformation - take a line of dialogue and transform the formants and the timbre of an actor's voice, or create a group of talking voices using the same talent behind the mic.

Another use could possibly be pitch-less time stretching or compressing of audio material (especially for music videos). Something which might not be obvious is that many people have absolute pitch - i.e. are able either by training or because they're naturally gifted to recognize the pitch of a note. To the trained ear there's nothing worse than an "off" note - at least as far as western music and tuning temerament is concerned (it's less of an issue with ethnic instruments where tuning isn't as strictly codified).

Ciao,

Paul
 
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