I was wodering why there doesn't seem to be much discussion of video makeup techniques on the board. Is it because it's not used much or am I maybe missing where it's kept. I thought makeup was a large part of getting "the right look" in film and video along with lighting and camera craft and technique.
Makeup in video
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BLUESPIDER
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Re: Makeup in video
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I'll say this. We've been relatively succesful with hiring many departments...except make-up. Initially we thought it would have been one of the easier departments to hire, and according to the responses up front we were right. We had 30 make-up responses to every 5 script sup/ AD/PA/gaffer/grip...etc.
After many interviews it boiled down to exact kit fees and actual time needed on set, like, what applications were needed when if dealing in latex, or even the daily foundation for each actor. It became quite tedious finding someone willing to take our offer and still be able to find it feasable for their time.
The make-up is vital to film, I had no idea how technical these artists are, and how important the artform of make-up is to them. Needless to say, we re-evaluated our initial offers and eventually found the right artist for us, but it was through trial and error. These guys are tough cookies, and demand respect for their efforts, rightly so.
I agree, a solid discussion on make-up is important. It's an artform easily shrugged off yet once you spend time with a make-up artist it becomes a very humbling experience when you realize just how important those subtle extra additions to the overall feel of your film is actually in their hands, not yours.
Nice thread.
I'll say this. We've been relatively succesful with hiring many departments...except make-up. Initially we thought it would have been one of the easier departments to hire, and according to the responses up front we were right. We had 30 make-up responses to every 5 script sup/ AD/PA/gaffer/grip...etc.
After many interviews it boiled down to exact kit fees and actual time needed on set, like, what applications were needed when if dealing in latex, or even the daily foundation for each actor. It became quite tedious finding someone willing to take our offer and still be able to find it feasable for their time.
The make-up is vital to film, I had no idea how technical these artists are, and how important the artform of make-up is to them. Needless to say, we re-evaluated our initial offers and eventually found the right artist for us, but it was through trial and error. These guys are tough cookies, and demand respect for their efforts, rightly so.
I agree, a solid discussion on make-up is important. It's an artform easily shrugged off yet once you spend time with a make-up artist it becomes a very humbling experience when you realize just how important those subtle extra additions to the overall feel of your film is actually in their hands, not yours.
Nice thread.
Re: Makeup in video
Thanks Alveraz...It seems to me when your throwing large amounts of light on peolples skin you are going to need a way to null the effects of the lighting in some cases especially hair challenged people with shiny heads and to keep facial features alive instead of allowing them to get washed out by applying darker tones above the eyes etc. it just seemed an important area that I don't see much discussion on.
Thanks Alveraz...It seems to me when your throwing large amounts of light on peolples skin you are going to need a way to null the effects of the lighting in some cases especially hair challenged people with shiny heads and to keep facial features alive instead of allowing them to get washed out by applying darker tones above the eyes etc. it just seemed an important area that I don't see much discussion on.
Rich Lee
I shoot Pirates.
Re: Makeup in video
[quote author=alveraz link=board=Offtopic;num=1104822699;start=0#7 date=01/04/05 at 02:07:12]
The make-up is vital to film, I had no idea how technical these artists are, and how important the artform of make-up is to them. These guys are tough cookies, and demand respect for their efforts, rightly so..[/quote]
the same can be said for heads of many other departments. production designer, costume designers, special/visual effects supervisors, locations managers. they all are vital.
finding a good makeup artists is tough, especialy one that you click with. the kit fee is important to them. their kits are depletable, so every job they dont get paid for, costs them money to Replenish their kit.
anyway, if you can find a makeup person you like and develop a good working relationship with them and stick with them.
anyway, i totaly agree. makeup peeps are very important.
alveraz- how were you getting makeup artists aplications? did you submit to schools or online or...?
[quote author=alveraz link=board=Offtopic;num=1104822699;start=0#7 date=01/04/05 at 02:07:12]
The make-up is vital to film, I had no idea how technical these artists are, and how important the artform of make-up is to them. These guys are tough cookies, and demand respect for their efforts, rightly so..[/quote]
the same can be said for heads of many other departments. production designer, costume designers, special/visual effects supervisors, locations managers. they all are vital.
finding a good makeup artists is tough, especialy one that you click with. the kit fee is important to them. their kits are depletable, so every job they dont get paid for, costs them money to Replenish their kit.
anyway, if you can find a makeup person you like and develop a good working relationship with them and stick with them.
anyway, i totaly agree. makeup peeps are very important.
alveraz- how were you getting makeup artists aplications? did you submit to schools or online or...?
Re: Makeup in video
We hit up Mandy, Craigs and a few other smaller forums. We're real happy with who we hired. Good point about kit fees, it was very important that we took care of those expenses for her in addition to her fee.
By the way, we start shooting on Friday, we're hyped and ready to go.
We hit up Mandy, Craigs and a few other smaller forums. We're real happy with who we hired. Good point about kit fees, it was very important that we took care of those expenses for her in addition to her fee.
By the way, we start shooting on Friday, we're hyped and ready to go.
Jim Brennan
VHS Member Old Skool
Re: Makeup in video
We had some trouble with this on our last shoot, which was our first project with the DVX. We used a little foundation on the lead, who had a receding hairline. Other than that, we thought we were okay. We were wrong. I think if we had used the skin detail setting, it would have helped but at the time we didn't even know it existed. Pores, pores, everywhere, not to mention shiny skin. But the biggest problem we had was continuity. It was a 10 day shoot (not every day though) for a 30 minute film that took place in one day. The lead had to shave everyday, and sometimes he had razor burn, and some days he didn't. Makeup would have helped.
This was the famous film that I equate to 2 years of film school now and again. Good makeup was lesson 126.
Good Luck Alveraz. Keep us posted.
We had some trouble with this on our last shoot, which was our first project with the DVX. We used a little foundation on the lead, who had a receding hairline. Other than that, we thought we were okay. We were wrong. I think if we had used the skin detail setting, it would have helped but at the time we didn't even know it existed. Pores, pores, everywhere, not to mention shiny skin. But the biggest problem we had was continuity. It was a 10 day shoot (not every day though) for a 30 minute film that took place in one day. The lead had to shave everyday, and sometimes he had razor burn, and some days he didn't. Makeup would have helped.
This was the famous film that I equate to 2 years of film school now and again. Good makeup was lesson 126.
Good Luck Alveraz. Keep us posted.
Rich Lee
I shoot Pirates.
Re: Makeup in video
yeah good luck man.
for continuity you should take photos/polariods...or have the makeup person take photos for all the different makeups.
also, if pissible you should do camera tests. and make sure the makeup you get on the day is the makeup you actually want. i didnt do that once, and i got this really kinda poor eye makeup...that i wasnt really happy with, but time was an issue so i had to go with it.
yeah good luck man.
for continuity you should take photos/polariods...or have the makeup person take photos for all the different makeups.
also, if pissible you should do camera tests. and make sure the makeup you get on the day is the makeup you actually want. i didnt do that once, and i got this really kinda poor eye makeup...that i wasnt really happy with, but time was an issue so i had to go with it.
a-non-e-mouse
New member
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I understand the film industry uses special makup to compensate the heat from lighting, also durability.
but I could be wrong. they never needed it on me when I was an extra. I'm either to damn good looking or not enough exposure. I'll choose option 1.
I understand the film industry uses special makup to compensate the heat from lighting, also durability.
but I could be wrong. they never needed it on me when I was an extra. I'm either to damn good looking or not enough exposure. I'll choose option 1.