Lilliput 5D-II 7", HDMI, 1024x600 panel w/peaking and 1:1 Pixel Mapping Question

blazer003

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UPDATE 3/7:

I have been over at Cinema5D forums where many were talking about this monitor and I got the hook up to get one of the new models straight from the factory. First, to answer my own questions below:

They didn't change the model # so if you're buying a 5D-MII monitor, make sure it is the newer version, assuming that that is what you want.

Ok, so for my first impressions review: I just received my 5D-MII (New Version) today and am testing it with my Panasonic GH2 and let me say that so far, for an $800 monitor this monitor is very good. However it's not $800. It's $300 and at that price it is a steal. The resolution is spectacular. It is completely apparent that the resolution is 1024x600. The crispness is just amazing (granted I've mostly been using a little SD monitor) and so far appears to be upgrade over the moderate quality of the GH2 display. Color production is not perfect. This isn't a broadcast color reference monitor, but in early tests it was quite reasonably close. The contrast seems pretty good. Not amazing, but the image doesn't look washed out or the blacks grey. I haven't taken the monitor out for daylight tests yet. It comes with a pretty nice cover and sun hood setup, and just judging by the brightness, I think I will need one. I already new this from the specs though, so it's no surprise, just confirmation. But for indoors the brightness is just fine. The screen is glossy, which I foresee might be an issue if the sun is at my back, but we'll see. The glossy screen does give it a more modern look, like the iPad or iPhone screen, but not sure which I'd prefer, probably matte, in terms of useability. It had no problem detecting and connecting to my GH2, and again, the HD image on it looks superb.

The controls are pretty good. Lots of buttons for one push functionality for peaking, false color, 1:1 pixel mode and zebra patterning. The menu system is good. It looks nice, but has just a bit of delay in button response. A bit of a pet peeve of mine. It's still quite functional, and has many different settings within the menu, but a few times I got that feeling of, "Wait, did it register that I hit that button?."

The focus peaking works well for me so far. Seems to do just what it should. Seems to have the right range of peaking what's in focus and not peaking what isn't. Obviously the GH2's full HD HDMI output while recording is a huge help with this monitor. The false color setting on the monitor seems to be working well, though I'm not that familiar with it so it will take a little research to figure it out.

The build quality feels great to me. I heard some complain about it, but I find no fault at all. Feels pretty sturdy but light weight and looks very professional to me and not cheap at all. Hooked up the Sony battery that I use for my LED light and worked great. 7" is pretty big. I didn't really think about just how big. Probably not going to mount this to the hot-shoe on my camera very often, but for my cheap shoulder rig it will work great.

I'll attach a few pictures of it in a bit, but first impressions are that this is a great monitor for $300.



Has anyone heard about or is using this monitor? I'm quite confused. Here is the info taken right from the site here:


5D-ii

7 inch field monitor with high resolution LCD, HDMI, component and composite video


5D-ii is Lilliput's most advanced 7" monitor, built for the pro-video road warrior. Including unique features such as 1:1 pixel mapping, peaking and foldable sun-hood/screen protector, 5D-ii offers advanced functionality in an easy-to-use, great value monitor.

These extras are squeezed into an slim field monitor. The high resolution LCD, 1:1 pixel mapping and 800:1 contrast ratio provides users with the most accurate picture of all Lilliput monitors.


Resolution (pixels)1024x600 (native), 1920×1080 (maximum)
Pixel pitch (mm)0.135×0.135
Scan frequency (Hz)60-72
Response time (ms)6
Viewing angle (degrees)150º x, 130º y
Brightness (cd/m²)250
Contrast ratio800:1
LCD backlightLED
Screen rotationFlip x, flip y
Video inputsHDMI
Video outputsHDMI
Audio outputs<1W


This sounds like quite the ideal monitor for the price. 7", 1024x600 panel, peaking and 1:1 pixel mapping. Not particularly good brightness or contrast, but on this small, and at this price, I'm not complaining.

However, on Amazon.com here:

The review specifically says "The feature I wish It had is focus peaking."
It's a positive review, and he's obviously not saying "WTF? Where's my focus peaking?!?!" so this leads me to believe they've updated it and not updated the model number.

So, anyone had experience with Lilliput can tell me how to know which model/version I'm getting if they don't update their model numbers?

I did some digging in another forum and found that it is indeed a new version of the monitor. It initially had some firmware bugs, but there seems to be confirmation that they are all now resolved (they weren't product killers, but annoyances, like overwriting settings) and I'm in for at least one. I'm attempting to order it directly from the factory through an email that was given on the other forum, and others have had very good success and helpful service from.

I will update and review it when I recieve it!
 
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Updated my original post with a quick initial impressions review of the new model Lilliput 5D-MII.
 
Looks interesting. I notice that Amazon lists 4 versions with different features. This one:

http://www.amazon.com/Lilliput-5D-I...Q6TY/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1331180330&sr=8-4

specifically states:
NEW 2012 model 5D-II/O/P designed for Canon 5D Mark II
High resolution 1024x600, High Contrast 800:1
Four more new functions:
1. Peaking Focus Filter
2. False color Filter
3. Zebra Exposure
4. Brightness Histogram
​
(note NO HDMI loop-through on this particular one.)

I presume/hope that it would also work with cameras that output regular 1080p...

 
Like AtticusLake is saying, there are multiple versions of the Lilliput 5D-ii monitor. There are 3 different models, and only 1 has focus peaking.

Lilliput 5Dii/I (sometimes marked as "5Dii/H" for hdmi)= HDMI in only, no special functions.
Lilliput 5Dii/I/O ( or just "O" sometimes) = HDMI in and out, no special functions.
Lilliput 5Dii/I/O/P = HDMI in/out with peaking, false color, etc.


It is a little confusing because even if the description of the "I" and "I/O" model say there is focus peaking, there really isn't. Look at the name and price. The "I" and "I/O" will usually be sub $250, and the "I/O/P" will usually be around $300. Hope this is helpful.
 
I'm really interested in the false color function of this monitor. I have a lilliput field monitor, but it is lower res.
 
Like AtticusLake is saying, there are multiple versions of the Lilliput 5D-ii monitor. There are 3 different models, and only 1 has focus peaking.

Lilliput 5Dii/I (sometimes marked as "5Dii/H" for hdmi)= HDMI in only, no special functions.
Lilliput 5Dii/I/O ( or just "O" sometimes) = HDMI in and out, no special functions.
Lilliput 5Dii/I/O/P = HDMI in/out with peaking, false color, etc.


It is a little confusing because even if the description of the "I" and "I/O" model say there is focus peaking, there really isn't. Look at the name and price. The "I" and "I/O" will usually be sub $250, and the "I/O/P" will usually be around $300. Hope this is helpful.

lilliput 5D-II/O/P

Model 5dII designed for DSLRs, i is for hdmi in, o is for hdmi out, p is for peeking

Just spoke to a rep in the UK, watch out with ebay, he said they have found knock offs of the lilliput 5D-II/O/P, the adverts are sketchy, they decieve buyers with 5d2/7d etc and not posting the correct model numbers, the 5II is a marketing title, its basically the same specs as the 665GL, they all are, depending on the extra bells and whistles the titles change.
 
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I have the Lilliput 5Dii/I/O/P

I feel its really worth the little extra cash for the peaking and hdmi loop thru.

You get what you pay for, so dont expect this thing to be a pro monitor, but at this price, its better than nothing...

To tell you the truth though I dont really use the peaking. Its a bit deceiving, especially in low light. 1 to 1 pix is nice though for focus. Otherwise its not really high enough res for critical focus.
 
thats what i am talking about the Lilliput 5Dii/I/O/P BUT<-------- does the peek actually work?

do you use it with the 5dmkii and get the same results as Marshall monitors etc?
 
I use it with a d800.

its def not a pro grade monitor, but for the price it's better than nothing...

peaking works I guess, but I find its easier to pull focus in 1 to 1 pix in color, with the sharpness turned all the way up.

for some reason when you turn on any of the features it seems to turn off the sharpening.

This is kinda cool to be able to use it to pull focus and then turn on histogram or something and it softens the image, but makes it look great to talent or a client etc.
But not cool when trying to achieve critical focus.

Either way I like the thing for the price. It's better than nothing...

You still need something with a loop IMHO.
I'm still debating between a smallhd dp4 and a zacuto zfinder pro.
I'll be getting a zfinder either way, just in which order.

I feel the zfinder is critical for light weight stabilization in bright conditions.
 
I use it with a d800.

its def not a pro grade monitor, but for the price it's better than nothing...

peaking works I guess, but I find its easier to pull focus in 1 to 1 pix in color, with the sharpness turned all the way up.

for some reason when you turn on any of the features it seems to turn off the sharpening.

This is kinda cool to be able to use it to pull focus and then turn on histogram or something and it softens the image, but makes it look great to talent or a client etc.
But not cool when trying to achieve critical focus.

Either way I like the thing for the price. It's better than nothing...

You still need something with a loop IMHO.
I'm still debating between a smallhd dp4 and a zacuto zfinder pro.
I'll be getting a zfinder either way, just in which order.

I feel the zfinder is critical for light weight stabilization in bright conditions.

i have a loop, use a 5d3 (blows away the d800) :laugh: and i am joking of course, but anyway, zacuto has to be the best but they are way way over priced.

do you think the monitors peek functions are useless?
 
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You can find z finder pros all day long on craigslist for about $200 under the price. They usually throw in the gorilla plate to

too wouldn't say it's useless just use it in good lighting. I just prefer using the sharpening rather than peaking.

its not like using the red one or epic peaking
 
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You can find z finder pros all day long on craigslist for about $200 under the price. They usually throw in the gorilla plate to

too wouldn't say it's useless just use it in good lighting. I just prefer using the sharpening rather than peaking.

its not like using the red one or epic peaking


you are correct
 
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Ok i just spent at least 4 hours chatting back and forth with this one friend in Japan who is close to a few Chinese venders, if there is a monitor you will buy today it should be IPS with focus assistance / Peek etc : http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...eName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 this is the one i just got.

He told me the 5Dii v3 is way faster then its predecessors, everything from starting up to compatibility with the 5dmkiii; very competitive with Marshall but remember that that 5dII is NOT a IPS screen and in case anyone is thinking of getting a monitor soon but can wait, Canon is releasing a IOS app that can do what the EOS utility does plus what the monitors do and you can use a android or ipad to focus, peek and so one even tapping on the transparent pop up menus or areas, we are talking everything, Time code etc etc

The firmware update for the 5dII asked about here in this thread changes allot of things i would suggest who ever has this model to get the upgrade.
 
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