Leaked pictures and video of the new Nikon mirrorless full frame camera

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Two Nikon full-frame mirrorless cameras expected: one with 24-25MP and one with 45MP (48MP is also a possibility) - I reported the two sensors configurations in October last year. BSI sensors (supposed to be a new tech with advanced AF).
Similar body size to the Sony a7 camera but with better ergonomics and a better grip. Nikon is putting a lot of emphasis and effort into the shooting experience of the new mirrorless camera. The camera was designed with ergonomics in mind.
5-axis in-body stabilization
9fps
New mirrorless mount. We already knew that, but the number I was given this time is 55mm. The Z-mount dimensions I reported a few months ago were 49mm for the actual opening and 65.4mm for the entire mount diameter.
The new mirrorless mount will allow for f/0.95 lenses - remember the NOCT trademark and f/0.9 lens patents?
Memory cards: XQD and CF Express - now this is a surprise for me, but it is what I have heard (ProGrade is coming with a CF Express card).
EVF resolution: 3.6MP (update: I am not sure if this is MP or million dots, the translation could be wrong since the specs originally came from Asia)
Initially, three lenses will be announced: 24-70mm f/4, 35mm and 50mm (I think the 35 and 50mm will be f/1.4). There is also talk about a 24mm, but it may come later.
Pricing:

The 45MP model will be around $4,000/€4,000 in a kit with the 24-70mm lens.
The 25MP model will be under $3,000/€3,000 (also with a lens).

The official announcement is rumored for the end of July (on or around July 23rd) and shipping shortly after (August 23rd). Nikon turns 101 on July 25th. I can almost see their press release saying: "for the next 100 years we have a new mirrorless mount".
Over 400 AF points, not sure about the exact number, it should be somewhere between 430-450. The AF is supposed to be very fast.
The rear LCD screen is tiltable just like the Nikon D850.
There is a second LCD screen on the top of the camera (just like the Fuji X-H1 pictured above)
My understanding is that there is only one selection wheel on top of the camera.
The camera's "prism" with the EVF is a bit less angular/smoother when compared to the Sony a7.
I see 8K listed in the technical specifications, but it is hard for me to get the translation - I don't think it's for video, maybe 8K time-lapse just like the D850?
The new Nikon mirrorless camera will have a nice finish and a very comfortable grip. The overall handling/feeling is supposed to be excellent - this is coming from somebody who is/has tested the camera.
Most likely no built-in flash.
The promo materials should include dancers/singers.
Potential names: Z300 and Z500 (not confirmed at all, could be just a guess).
Nikon is putting a lot of emphases and effort into the shooting experience of the new mirrorless camera (ergonomics, nice grip design, image stabilization, etc)
4K video
Nikon is rumored to target directly the Sony A7/A7r line of cameras.

The new Nikon mirrorless camera will have features/functions never introduced beforehand (not sure if this applies to Nikon, to mirrorless cameras or to the industry as general).
At least one new/future mirrorless zoom lens will have power zoom (for video recording).
The new Nikon mirrorless camera will definitely be on display at Photokina in September.
I was told that Nikon is currently developing a large number of new mirrorless lenses and this is a priority.
New Nikon mirrorless Z-mount - confirmed by multiple sources (could still be called something else). About the different Nikon mirrorless mount dimensions - we could be talking about different ways of measuring the same mirrorless mount: one of the numbers I was given was 55mm. The Z-mount dimensions I reported a few months ago were 49mm for the actual opening and 65.4mm for the entire mount diameter. All three number could be correct.
Very sophisticated new F-mount adapter - also confirmed by multiple sources.
Two electric AF motors (not confirmed yet).
There is no word on a Nikon APS-C based mirrorless camera. In fact, the rumors I have been receiving in the past 6+ months have only been for a full frame solution.

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2018/07/15/...rless-camera-announcement.aspx/#ixzz5M5qwjgOG


Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2018/07/15/...rless-camera-announcement.aspx/#ixzz5M5qTIVTO
 
I hope this changes Nikons fortunes before they go under. I love Nikon, owned them for many decades. I still have have some Nikon aI primes I use on my Canon's occasionally. Would be cool to get them back in the game because they have almost ceased to be for quite a while.
 
They are alive and well in the photography universe...just barely have any exciting video contribution (it would be none and not barely if the D850 wasn't released).
 
The F, F2, F3, F4, F5, D12345 were true professional tools.

Yep I guess these will be good stills cameras. Boring. But fast flash synch could wake me up.

I wonder if nikon really focussed on a grown up small video tool.. id be suprised.

Watch for ..
Rolling shutter
Muzzy 120p
Poor connectivity.
Compressed codecs.

Am I cynical?
 
puredrifting said:
You need to examine their financials and new product pipeline, they've been on life support for quite a while.
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I have...every time I hear someone say that and doesn't include any supporting information with their comment(s).

"Today Nikon announced their financial results for the year that ended March 2018. As previously reported, profits are up for the entire company - here are the key numbers with relevant data from the Imaging Products Business".

"Nikon’s focus on high-end cameras as the company restructures appears to be paying off, and could mean more advanced cameras like the D850 in the company’s future. In its 2017-2018 fiscal year results, announced on May 10, Nikon posted more than eight times the profit of the previous year overall, with the imaging division posting a 76.2-percent increase over the previous year. With the D850 (shown above) driving much of that increase, the company says it will continue to focus on high-end cameras — and that mirrorless could be an opportunity for the company in the future." (DigitalTrends)

"Nikon restructuring and strong D850 sales lead to 8x increase in annual profit. Of course, this reflects Nikon Corporation as a whole, but the news out of the Imaging division was also positive. While overall unit sales fell—due to the continued demise of the compact camera segment—strong demand for the D850 is said to have increased the sales of "high-class" cameras "significantly," leading to a 76.2% year-on-year increase in operating profit. Restructuring helped here, too." (DPreview)

https://nikonrumors.com/2018/05/10/nikons-2018-financial-results-are-out.aspx/#ixzz5M8G19wVy

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Maybe they are not where they would like to be, but you don't continue to make lenses and cameras for a decade if you're on "life support".
 
I hope this is great. The Alpha series are incredibly powerful cameras (I have an A6500 myself), but operationally I just couldn't justify switching to them from my Nikon for professional work - it's just too complicated to switch them from one shooting mode to the next.

Nikon ergos remain the pinnacle of stills cameras IMO. I just hope they're able to seamlessly transition them to these new machines.
 
NorBro said:
I have...every time I hear someone say that and doesn't include any supporting information with their comment(s).

"Today Nikon announced their financial results for the year that ended March 2018. As previously reported, profits are up for the entire company - here are the key numbers with relevant data from the Imaging Products Business".

"Nikon’s focus on high-end cameras as the company restructures appears to be paying off, and could mean more advanced cameras like the D850 in the company’s future. In its 2017-2018 fiscal year results, announced on May 10, Nikon posted more than eight times the profit of the previous year overall, with the imaging division posting a 76.2-percent increase over the previous year. With the D850 (shown above) driving much of that increase, the company says it will continue to focus on high-end cameras — and that mirrorless could be an opportunity for the company in the future." (DigitalTrends)

"Nikon restructuring and strong D850 sales lead to 8x increase in annual profit. Of course, this reflects Nikon Corporation as a whole, but the news out of the Imaging division was also positive. While overall unit sales fell—due to the continued demise of the compact camera segment—strong demand for the D850 is said to have increased the sales of "high-class" cameras "significantly," leading to a 76.2% year-on-year increase in operating profit. Restructuring helped here, too." (DPreview)

https://nikonrumors.com/2018/05/10/nikons-2018-financial-results-are-out.aspx/#ixzz5M8G19wVy

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Maybe they are not where they would like to be, but you don't continue to make lenses and cameras for a decade if you're on "life support".
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Nikon’s profit numbers look fine, but they’ve also been hemmoraging both units sold and market share for a while.

They’ve likely been aggressively cutting costs to keep the imaging division in the black.

Not exactly a rosy outlook.
 
I'm not a camera business analyst. If that's what you conclude from those reports so be it, I don't know.

But for now..."alive and well". We need them around.
 
morgan_moore said:
The F, F2, F3, F4, F5, D12345 were true professional tools.

Yep I guess these will be good stills cameras. Boring. But fast flash synch could wake me up.

I wonder if nikon really focussed on a grown up small video tool.. id be suprised.

Watch for ..
Rolling shutter
Muzzy 120p
Poor connectivity.
Compressed codecs.

Am I cynical?
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Maybe, but I like your style.
 
It's nice to see them trying new and interesting things. Mirrors are a thing from the past century, I think they don't have a future anymore, so this announcement is definitely a good thing. The problem for me is that I think it will be a very stills-centric announcement: I don't think Nikon will have either RAW video or a wide enough log profile that can make them competitive in terms of dynamic range. And they probably won't have a nice codec either, or even 4k 60fps. The BM p4k is going to be very hard to beat for video...

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This is what I need if any other camera is going to make me not buy a p4k in September/October: 4k 60fps (reasonably sharp and without artifacts), DR in video mode as good as the a7III (or better), RAW video or nice 10-bit codec (always internal), big sensor (FF, but it could also be APS-C or m43 if every other box is checked), unbelievably good AF in video mode (at least as good as the current Canons, and with the eye-detect thing that Sony does only in stills mode). And it has to be affordable. Oh, well, it seems it's going to be a p4k...

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I think it's pretty clear nobody's going to give me that in 2018, so... I just bought some Resolve tutorials over at rippletraining.com. Learning how to work with a top notch free/cheap editor and color-correction suite is actually a plus for the p4k.
 
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NorBro said:
They are alive and well in the photography universe...just barely have any exciting video contribution (it would be none and not barely if the D850 wasn't released).
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The old Nikon D5200/D750 era DSLRs already caught up (and quite arguably overtook) the Canon DSLR competitors in the video world (and Nikon was already technically ahead in the stills world).

However Canon's behemoth size by this point meant Canon was just steamrolling over the opposition with momentum, and the competition has to be extraordinary to even get noticed.

But seriously if Nikon just makes their DX Mirrorless be a Samsung NX1 at a Nikon D7500 price point with a perfectly flawless Nikon F mount adapter included, then I will be a very happy boy instead!

And if Nikon can add a little gravy on top like a 10bit output and waveform monitoring, then I'll just be doing cartwheels of joy.

But I fear that Nikon will not even be releasing *any* type of Nikon DX mirrorless during 2018.
 
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NorBro said:
I have...every time I hear someone say that and doesn't include any supporting information with their comment(s).

"Today Nikon announced their financial results for the year that ended March 2018. As previously reported, profits are up for the entire company - here are the key numbers with relevant data from the Imaging Products Business".

"Nikon’s focus on high-end cameras as the company restructures appears to be paying off, and could mean more advanced cameras like the D850 in the company’s future. In its 2017-2018 fiscal year results, announced on May 10, Nikon posted more than eight times the profit of the previous year overall, with the imaging division posting a 76.2-percent increase over the previous year. With the D850 (shown above) driving much of that increase, the company says it will continue to focus on high-end cameras — and that mirrorless could be an opportunity for the company in the future." (DigitalTrends)

"Nikon restructuring and strong D850 sales lead to 8x increase in annual profit. Of course, this reflects Nikon Corporation as a whole, but the news out of the Imaging division was also positive. While overall unit sales fell—due to the continued demise of the compact camera segment—strong demand for the D850 is said to have increased the sales of "high-class" cameras "significantly," leading to a 76.2% year-on-year increase in operating profit. Restructuring helped here, too." (DPreview)

https://nikonrumors.com/2018/05/10/nikons-2018-financial-results-are-out.aspx/#ixzz5M8G19wVy

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Maybe they are not where they would like to be, but you don't continue to make lenses and cameras for a decade if you're on "life support".
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Restructuring isn't usually a sign of a healthy corporate bottom line but I am glad they are seeming to enjoy a rebound. In order to survive, they need to re-invent the company and real mirrorless like this puts them ahead of Canon in that segment.
 
IronFilm said:
The old Nikon D5200/D750 era DSLRs already caught up (and quite arguably overtook) the Canon DSLR competitors in the video world (and Nikon was already technically ahead in the stills world).

However Canon's behemoth size by this point meant Canon was just steamrolling over the opposition with momentum, and the competition has to be extraordinary to even get noticed.

But seriously if Nikon just makes their DX Mirrorless be a Samsung NX1 at a Nikon D7500 price point with a perfectly flawless Nikon F mount adapter included, then I will be a very happy boy instead!

And if Nikon can add a little gravy on top like a 10bit output and waveform monitoring, then I'll just be doing cartwheels of joy.

But I fear that Nikon will not even be releasing *any* type of Nikon DX mirrorless during 2018.
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I love 'em, but the Nikons never overtook anything with video...not sure how you can say that and/or if you've been following DSLRs over the years.

The 5D Mark IV and 1DX Mark II are both 4K DCI MJPEG (one is 4K/60p) high-resolution video machines, and have smashed any video capabilities from the Nikons until the D500's/D7500's and of course D850's recent releases (past 1-2 years), which now makes it arguable as far as image quality.

Nikon always HAD the potential to do much more (*and they did), but just stopped and didn't do offer 4K until years later.

*With the D850, they surpassed Canon in offering a camera that shoots 4K in full-frame with no crops/pixel-binning/line-skipping, etc.

And image quality is the only thing you can compare between these two on the video side since they don't offer anything else, haha...(besides of course DPAF which is another advantage for Canon).

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puredrifting said:
Restructuring isn't usually a sign of a healthy corporate bottom line but I am glad they are seeming to enjoy a rebound. In order to survive, they need to re-invent the company and real mirrorless like this puts them ahead of Canon in that segment.
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Mirrorless game is about to change drastically from both of them...2019 will be a big year for the photo cameras that shoot video.
 
Nikon is only doing great as long as your point of comparison is last year, when they were doing really, really badly.

Here are their financial results. For the year ending march 2018, march 2017, march 2016 (this last one is only available in Japanese standards, for the other two I linked the IRFS ones).

From 2015 to 2016 (Japanese accounting standards) it moved from 858 to 823 billion yen in revenue, and 46 to 43 billion yen in ordinary income

From 2016 to 2017 to 2018 (IRFS accounting standards) it moved from 841 to 749 to 717 billion yen in revenue, and from 30 to 4 to 35 billion yen in after-tax profits.

So yeah, they have seen worse, but it's about as much profit as they had in 2015, with 15-20% lower revenue. They don't have any older reports on their site, but the 2015 numbers earned them headlines like "Nikon’s 2015 financial results are out: sales down 15%, income down 12%". The ones from 2014 were even nicer: "Nikon misses financial forecast, stock down at 3 years low, company restructuring announced". So, after a restructuring and after gaining some ground, they're still worse than they were when they had to announce the restructiring to fend off angry investors. Maybe they'll come back, but healthy they are not.

The only good news is when you compare them with, say, Canon. Looking at the value of their stock, Nikon sits at half its 2007 peak and twice its 2009 low, whereas Canon is at half its 2007 peak and 54% above its 2009 low.
Sony has had a different cycle because it does many more things apart from cameras, but well, it also had a local peak in 2007 and a local low in 2009. It is now 15% below its 2007 peak and 250% above its 2007 low.
 
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Good for Nikon. If it really matters for the video/film market is something I doubt will happen. Without a lens mount or set of higher end options for film makers to move to Nikon is a dead end road. Fine for hobbyists or photographers that want to get into video or those who plan on never moving beyond a DSLR but for the serious film/video market its going to be a uphill battle for Nikon.

I like Nikon cameras and I love their lenses but they will always just be a DSLR camera company. Without a cinema or professional video class of cameras going mirrorless just isn't enough anymore. Not when we have BMD options and the new Pocket 4k about to clean house in the industry.

If one needs a hybrid camera that can shoot stills and video it may be a good choice but if that person also plans on moving to a cinema camera someday then Canon or other options might be a better choice.

The Canon EF mount like it or not is really the unofficial lens mount of professional grade cameras. Good luck to Nikon to compete with that. They better consider opening up the lens mount specs if they ever want to be taken seriously ever again. It is their closed mount that will ultimately end up killing them in the professional video market.
 
NorBro said:
I love 'em, but the Nikons never overtook anything with video...not sure how you can say that and/or if you've been following DSLRs over the years.
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Say what? Did you forget that Nikon was *FIRST* with a HDSLR? Thus not only had they overtaken everyone else, but also for a while they were the only game in town.


NorBro said:
The 5D Mark IV and 1DX Mark II are both 4K DCI MJPEG (one is 4K/60p) high-resolution video machines, and have smashed any video capabilities from the Nikons until the D500's/D7500's and of course D850's recent releases (past 1-2 years), which now makes it arguable as far as image quality.
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"Until"??

Again, I feel you're you're getting your history back to front. As sorry, the 5Dmk4 did not come out before the D500. Rather the D5/D500 came out long before the 5Dmk4 came out at the end of the year.

Actually on that point of the D500 and D7500, where is Canon's APS-C 4K DSLR? As Nikon has not one but two now, and Canon has NONE! While Nikon has had their APS-C 4K DSLR since early 2016. Talk about slow going for Canon.

And this edge Nikon has had in the video (and stills world too, but that is a whole other kettle of fish) has been going on longer than merely since 2016. Like I mentioned before, if you look into the old D5200 and D750 from Nikon you can see they clearly had Canon beaten in their respective market brackets.

NorBro said:
Nikon always HAD the potential to do much more (*and they did), but just stopped and didn't do offer 4K until years later.
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Oh I agree, Nikon is the tale of squandered potential! A company which started strong early, but then took a nap.

NorBro said:
*With the D850, they surpassed Canon in offering a camera that shoots 4K in full-frame with no crops/pixel-binning/line-skipping, etc.
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I agree, just I'll add the point Nikon caught up and took over Canon earlier than the D850.

NorBro said:
Mirrorless game is about to change drastically from both of them...2019 will be a big year for the photo cameras that shoot video.
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Indeed, we're all holding our breaths to see what will be the big mirrorless play from Canikon this year and next year.
 
I'm not arguing who did what first...you are expressing that Nikon surpassed Canon's DSLRs' video and you're very misinformed if you think Nikon overtook Canon in the video aspect of DSLR shooting at any point in time after 2012-ish.

Canon continued to release DSLRs (various HD models and eventually 4K models) and added various features to them while Nikon didn't do anything for several years.

Canon doesn't need a 4K APS-C DSLR to win the battle...it means nothing. It's like saying where is Nikon's 4K mirrorless?...because Canon has had one for 6 months and it proves nothing because the M50 sucks.

Image quality is first and foremost, and even if the D500 was released before the 5D Mark IV it is absolutely inferior to the 5D Mark IV's 8-bit 422 500Mb/s Motion JPEG video.

Plus...

Canon
4K/60p - CHECK
Better Auto-Focus - CHECK
Better Image Stabilization - CHECK
Smaller Crop when shooting 4K* - CHECK
C-Log (vs. Nikon's fake FLAT profile) - CHECK
Line Level Audio (1DX Mark II) - CHECK ...you appreciate that one, right?

*The D850's FF 4K is the only thing Nikon currently has on a Canon besides maybe also zebras…because even the focus peaking on the D850 is disabled in 4K!

How in the world do you think Nikon surpassed Canon in any video aspect at all?

Because it's not a race...it's about the features.

If it were a race...Canon released the 4K 1DC in 2013 (announced in 2012) when everyone else was twiddling their thumbs!
 
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